Aristo C-16 "Pacific Slope"

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I'm starting to get to know (and love) my new baby, but I've got a few slight puzzlements over the livery. Googling images produces suggestions that the cab exterior ought to be red/brown, and (less likely?) the pilot (cowcatcher) and headlight bright red. I also feel that the grey roof inside should be bare wood, or possibly pale green. Any D&RG experts out there able to help? I also feel that the Aristo bell is a bit on the small side, but that might just be me.
 
Unfortunately too much on the web showing old time locomotive liveries is based on Hollywood and Disneyland. A look into real 1870s and 1880s liveries reveals toning, colours and decoration far more tasteful, deeper tones and consistency of colour across the whole loco. But mostly people just want what appeals and history be damned! I respect that.

As for Pacific Slope - the livery on that model is actually based on one of the livery styles used by the D&RG in their early repaints of their fleet in the 1880s. It is not based on the Baldwin paint style of 1880, which was originally Dark Olive Green, style 103, which was a dark green loco all over, including frames, wheels and cab, with gold, red and white linework. The original liveries didn't last more than a few years before the Rio Grande repainted. This time in black, leaving only the Planished Iron boiler jacket unpainted. The repaints were typically two styles - black with large gold numbers on the tender, or black with Denver & Rio Grande written on the tender. The former was more typical, but the latter prettier and the one seen on your model. Probably 'Pacific Slope' wore both schemes between 1883-1889. It was a subdued style, all black with Planished jacket, little polished brass. Even the jacket bands were polished iron and not brass, hence the continuous Planished Iron look to the boiler. No polished wood cab, they were not that common. The vast majority of Baldwin cabs were painted ash, usually in matching colour to the rest of the loco. Polished walnut cabs were reserved for the more first class passenger engines, and not so many by 1880.

Engine #71 'Pacific Slope' has some history. It was one of many class 56 2-8-0 owned by the line and brand new in 1880. (Baldwin class 10-24 E, Drawing 3).

Loosing the battle of the railroads, the Rio Grande found itself trapped inside the state of Colorado, hemmed in to the south by the AT&SF and the north by the UP. Giving up the dream of the transcontinental route in the N-S direction all the way to Mexico, the Rio Grande instead turned west into the mineral fields that lay to the west of the great continental divide. The line would wind up to the 10,000ft Mashall past and down to the mining communities on the Pacific side of the divide. As the railroad gangs built the line over the pass, the whistles of the construction locomotives echoed through the towns in the valley below, getting closer by the day. it was said that the townsfolk of Gunnison likened the whistles to the 'coming of civilisation....' Great riches always followed where the railroad came. The first train to cross the divide and down the western slope into the town of Gunnison in 1881 was brand new engine #71, 'Pacific Slope'. A really apt name for the first engine to run all the way down the Pacific coast side of the mountain.

Leave your engine as it is painted. This is how it was meant to be even if not representing the as-built style of the engine, but one of the first repaints.

David.
 
Oh, re the cab interior. As built by Baldwn in 1881, Pacific slope would have had a polished wood interior, including the ceiling. In these repaints in the mid to late 1880s as represented in your model, the interior might still have been polished wood. We do know however that by 1885 the Union Pacific to the north has specified green to their cab interiors as standard, and practice that was spreading. In my original hand painted version of Pacific Slope from 1999, I painted the cab interior green...that is green walls and ceiling.

The bell is indeed a bit too small. The original brass bells made by Delton Locomotive Works, who designed the tooling for this C-16 in the 1980s, had the bell correctly scaled, which was about 30% larger. The bell from a Bachmann Annie 4-6-0, or industrial mogul would be about the right size if you want to do a swap.

David.
 
Thanks a million, David, that is really helpful. Have five stars!
After my posting I had found some info from the "National Register of Historic Places - US Department of the Interior National Park Service" in respect of Locomotive No. 278 preserved in Montrose County, Colorado, which, while helpful, didn't actually confirm what I wanted to know. I also found a couple of tiny pictures of green cab interiors. The article also refers to Baldwins' catalogue of "painting and finishing standards" which you mention. A quick Google didn't get me anywhere with that except back to the NRHP webpage. The article says: "The wooden cab interior was varnished ash and the cab roof was gray" - inside or out? Inside, apparently. So I can legitimately try and replicate varnished wood, which should brighten up the cab interior somewhat, and show off the burly new engineer I'm putting in, to replace the weedy-looking specimen supplied. I've already covered the plastic fuel load with real wood and permanently attached the tender with the screw, washer and brass tube supplied, and chopped bits out of the plastic foam so that the loco and tender will go back into the somewhat insecure Aristo box - still, it crossed the Atlantic safely, so it can't be that bad.
Ironically, when I bought the coalburner version three or four years ago, there wasn't a bell, so I acquired one from somewhere, possibly direct from Bachmann, and fitted it. Then I found the "missing" one... so I'll have to find another Bachmann one. Nice to know I got it right!
Thanks again.
 
If you're interested in a bit more on Liveries, there is a bit published on the Pacific NG web site, with some drawing examples. Not relevant to the Pacific Slope repainted version, but some history. I use the Baldwin paint standards a lot, for research, model development etc. The sum total of it is preserved at Stanford University Library, special collection. Cab interior in polished wood will be good on your model including the ceiling. The grey goes on the outside surface, not paint, but lead sheet that was soldered together to form the waterproofing and fire proofing cover. One last item - Delton and later Aristocraft always referred to the old time 1880 version of this model as the 'wood burner' and the 20s modern version as the 'coal burner'. In truth they were both coal burners. The diamond stack on this model was never for wood burning but was a coal burning stack. It was common place for all US locos, including and infact, mostly coal burning, to have the diamond and various balloon stacks. The straight stacks began to emerge in the early 1880s in conjunction with experiments in extended smokeboxes. This basically saw the cinder screens moved from the stack to the front of the smokebox extension.

It is your model however, and people just like the old time look and feel of the wood fuel.

Back to the site with more Baldwin livery info - here is a page of examples of Baldwin paint styles:

http://www.pacificng.com/template.php?page=/ref/blw/style/stylediag/index.htm

and a very concise history of US liveries leading up to the Baldwin paint standards:

http://www.pacificng.com/template.php?page=/ref/blw/style/introduction.htm

and before someone comes back with the all too popular notion that Planished Iron/Russia Iron is a lost art and no-one knows today what the actual colour of the boiler jackets were - there are lots of examples of the real material in preservation, from original loco jackets, to period models to the material used in parallel industries, such as pump houses. This link is to a set of photos of some real 1870s and 1890s examples:

http://www.pacificng.com/template.php?page=/ref/russiairon/index.htm

The colour is pretty much straight up gun metal grey. There were slight blue, green and brown tinges to the colour, depending on origin of the material, but generally all were just grey. The whole blue jacket thing comes from the jacket in action, reflecting the blue sky, which is why so many model cos paint the jackets blue rather than grey.

Hope this is helpful.

David.
 
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