Colouring London Tram LCC - What colours?

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First off all - Happy new Year.

I'm working on an Occre London tram. Does anybody now the colour (RAL) numbers of the red and creme livery?

RAL in Germany is used for colour schemes. Is it the same in GB?

I know that in Crich is Tram 106 in use. So my question to photos of it, especially photoos made inside the car?

Thanks for your help.

Peter
 
Re: Coloring London Tram LCC - What colours?

Peter, happy New Year

I suspect that London trams were painted before RAL standards.

There is a company in the UK that makes matching paints for railway liveries, but I don't know if they cover trams (Railmatch paints)

There must be a UK tram website, but I have never been there. I would assume that the red is the same colour as the early London buses, but again, I am not sure whether the red colour is the same as the present day.

Have you Googled the topic?
 
Re: Coloring London Tram LCC - What colours?

That is a speeding answer. Yes I tried Google, but with no luck. Only I found pictures from London Tram 106 at the museum in Crich. The renew it, of what I had red. May be there is a chance to aks them.
 
You could try here http://www.tramwayinfo.com/ It's a pretty marginal subject area so there may not be an official off the shelf match available. But, as with all these things, those who model this area will have adopted a "near enough" match that can be easily found or mixed. You could also try the London Transport Museum's "Depot" at Acton. This is where all the archive/research stuff is kept. Max.
 
I can't offer much help, but there is an excellent book by David Voice : What colour is that tram ? - which suggest the colours model makers can use. I don't have a copy but it may be worth asking around.
 
Dtsteam said:
I can't offer much help, but there is an excellent book by David Voice : What colour is that tram ? - which suggest the colours model makers can use. I don't have a copy but it may be worth asking around.
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Can be bought at the link I listed at £4.50p. Max
 
Peter

There may be some help here.

http://www.rmoof.co.uk/Paint%20for%20your%20Routemaster.htm

Although it is talking mainly about buses, it will give a good idea. The bad news is that they don't have a lot of detail for the early paint.
 
Peter. I read about a modeller who was building London Underground stock who used Halfords Ford Carmine Red to spray his models. The Revell site gives paint listings for Carmine Red and the RAL code is 3002. I'm not sure what era his models were so the shade may not be correct. The bus company I work for has 2 LT routemasters and the colour can only be described as 'bright'. From experience I know many bus repaints were done with what was at hand so there could well be shade vaiances - even in the same vehicle! However knowing London Transport's fastidious attention to detail I suspect the colour remained standard throughout. Our local transport museum has LT tram 1858 as a running exhibit so a quick google of East Anglia Transport Museum might be of help.
 
Red pigment is probably the worst for changing colour with age - so any approximation is probably correct! ;)
 
The main thing to remember is that 106 was pre-London Transport so the red used by LT does not enter the equation. Paints were often blended to suit the operators requirements or whims.

The red in question is rather a deep red (almost maroon). Maybe an email question to the National Tramway Museum might help? I should imagine Carmine Red isn't too uncommon a colour - Halfords do a spray paint in that colour for Vauxhall (Opel) cars.
 
Peter,
Will you not be using the Card Overlays included with the Kit? Surely if you are not then you could get a match from them.
JonD
 
Thanks a lot for your help. I'll ake a mixture of that and have got to the DIY Store (Bauhaus).

I'll take also the printed sheet with all. I think, that the Card Overllays are not very usefull.

Thanks again.
 
trammayo said:
The main thing to remember is that 106 was pre-London Transport so the red used by LT does not enter the equation. Paints were often blended to suit the operators requirements or whims.

The red in question is rather a deep red (almost maroon). Maybe an email question to the National Tramway Museum might help? I should imagine Carmine Red isn't too uncommon a colour - Halfords do a spray paint in that colour for Vauxhall (Opel) cars.
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I was looking at those kits. But would this tram have been in real life 3 rail or wwhatever its called with the colector under it as well as the tolley pole?
 
Glen, the London Trams 3 Rail System was called Conduit. There were Skates that were Added or Removed when the trams were not on the overhead. There are plenty of pictures of this on the Net if you care to look for them.
JonD
 
No72 said:
I was looking at those kits. But would this tram have been in real life 3 rail or wwhatever its called with the colector under it as well as the tolley pole?
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It started off as a conduit only car but was later given a trolley pole to allow more route availability. The electrical contact was by means of a plough - the conduit (in London) had both positive and negative pick-up if I remember correctly.

When larger capacity cars became the norm, trams like 106 were either scrapped or converted to stores or works cars. In 106's case it was converted to a Snow Broom - so that saved it long after sister cars ended up as firewood. The London County Council Tramways Trust were responsible for its preservation.
 
This pic may help.
It dates from the early `80`s when I was involved with the TLRS.
The models are to ¾" scale on 3½" gauge.
Nearest the camera is a Salford car in bright red/beige.
Further away is LCC B class 132, with top cover.  There is a trolley pole swung out of sight.

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This model was built many years aog by the late Alan Povey.
It carries what I believe was standard LCC livery pre London Transport.
This was  a brown/cream colour.
 
MRail said:
This pic may help.
It dates from the early '80's when I was involved with the TLRS.
The models are to ¾" scale on 3½" gauge.
Nearest the camera is a Salford car in bright red/beige.
Further away is LCC B class 132, with top cover. There is a trolley pole swung out of sight.

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This model was built many years aog by the late Alan Povey.
It carries what I believe was standard LCC livery pre London Transport.
This was a brown/cream colour.
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To my eye that LCC Livery is pretty much spot on for the Overlays that come with the Occre Tram Kit.

What a great Scale for Trams 3/4" is.
JonD
 
Dredged up another pair of TLRS pics.
These are of LCC E class No 534 in ¾" scale built by Richard Elliot in 1945.
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These were sent to me in 1978 by RE himself.
 
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