Crane - Sorta Tram Related

DafyddElvy

DafyddElvy

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I saw a wee LGB crane last weekend for sale and wondered if anyone knew of a similar crane working on a tramway, preferable European, I appreciate it would probably need a few tweaks which doesn't scare me but I can't find any pictures of a prototype to base a model on working on a tramway system.
 

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I have never seen a prototype for this Matra crane, despite searching the web for one.

I would invoke RULE 8....
 
DafyddElvy said:
I saw a wee LGB crane last weekend for sale and wondered if anyone knew of a similar crane working on a tramway, preferable European, I appreciate it would probably need a few tweaks which doesn't scare me but I can't find any pictures of a prototype to base a model on working on a tramway system.
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I would imagine that because tram systems usually have roadway alongside the usual method is to bring up a lorry-mounted crane. However, there is this site which might help:

British Trams Online

British Trams Online contains news, features, photos and much more on tram and light rail systems in the UK including Blackpool, Manchester, Croydon and the Crich Tramway Village
www.britishtramsonline.co.uk

and remember, it is your tram system so you can adopt a world leading approach if you wish, i.e. do what suits you.
 
DafyddElvy said:
I saw a wee LGB crane last weekend for sale and wondered if anyone knew of a similar crane working on a tramway, preferable European, I appreciate it would probably need a few tweaks which doesn't scare me but I can't find any pictures of a prototype to base a model on working on a tramway system.
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Thus far this is about as good as I can find, the crane complete with pole and presumably an electric motor used to unload sand and gravel prior to being taken to filter beds at Headingley near Leeds. A bit of an oldie but proves the concept if you will. To the best of my knowledge all the current modern tramways as has been said tend to use trucks predominantly for engineering work. But previous systems had a mix on engineers vehicles, trams and trucks so never say never till you know for sure!
 
dunnyrail said:
Thus far this is about as good as I can find, the crane complete with pole and presumably an electric motor used to unload sand and gravel prior to being taken to filter beds at Headingley near Leeds. A bit of an oldie but proves the concept if you will. To the best of my knowledge all the current modern tramways as has been said tend to use trucks predominantly for engineering work. But previous systems had a mix on engineers vehicles, trams and trucks so never say never till you know for sure!
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Is their a photo missing from your post?
 
In general, rail mounted cranes and overhead contact wire are not a great combination.

Most electric tramway rail-mounted cranes tended to be some variation if a pillar crane, which had a fixed arm which could only swing horizontally, out rather than a jib crane where the arm can swing both horizontally and vertically..

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If you hunt through Google you will find pictures of the Blackpool crane wagon. An old tram chassis with what looks like a hyab in the middle.
 
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Leeds again. When I was at school, we were always told "Leeds leads" - and it generally did!
 
Software Tools said:
In general, rail mounted cranes and overhead contact wire are not a great combination.

Most electric tramway rail-mounted cranes tended to be some variation if a pillar crane, which had a fixed arm which could only swing horizontally, out rather than a jib crane where the arm can swing both horizontally and vertically..

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Going slightly off topic on my on thread, well I never, what ever next.

While this is a photo of an interesting vehicle, of more interest is the overhead wire, very few tram systems use a catenary and contact wire unless their is a large span between poles/vertical supports, but its the contact/catenary wire support arm that I've never seen the likes of before, definitely an unusual arrangement.
 
I imagine that while the crane was in use, there would be no power to the overhead wires and so no danger if the jib touched them.
 
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