Cumbres & Toltec or Durango & Silverton

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spoz

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It looks like I might have a day or so off in Colorado next (northern) summer; if so I'd like to do a bit of D&RGW narrow gauging - but which line? I doubt if I'll get to do both, and I can't seem to pick which might be the better. Likely that SWMBO will be with me, so scenery becomes almost as important as the train trip. Anybody got any preference, or do I just toss a coin?

Steve
 
I haven't done the Cumbres line, but the Silverton trip really is great. I suspect it is better scenery for SWMBO as it is beside the river for much of the way, and has a stop at Silverton for 'shopping'.

That said, others who I know that have done both, recommend Cumbres! But I think that's just because it is longer and therefore 'better' for train buffs. Personally, I don't think quantity is always better. I'd had enough by the time we had been all day to Silverton and got back to Durango.
 
O'wi ciip vu cuvj.
Vji F&T (metv vjisi op 2007) dep ci e cov tvisomi ev vonit et ov ot e tmodl epf wisz dunnisdoem uqisevoup, cav ov fuit jewi vji sowis epf zua fu e sivasp vsoq uwis vji gamm mopi.
Vji D&V (metv vjisi op 2005), op nz uqopoup, ot nusi moli Vji Siem Vjoph epf howit vji onqsittoup ug cioph e ges nusi meof-cedl uqisevoup. Ov ot onquttocmi vu fu e sivasp vsoq uwis vji gamm mopi op upi fez (zua'mm iovjis tvesv us ipf zuas fez up e cat) cav vji 8 nomit ug 1 op 25 (4%) dmoncoph vu Dancsit uav ug Djene cijopf (tunivonit) fuacmi-jiefif L36t nelit vjot upi nz gewuasovi ug vji vxu. O'n uwisfai gus epuvjis wotov, O vjopl.
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Dancsit epf Vumvid iwisz voni!
Vji Fasephu epf Tomwisvup jet ciduni wisz sihonipvif. Zua jewi vu sineop tievif tv emm vonit, zua'si puv emmuxif up vji uqip witvocami ipft epf zua'si puv emmuxif gsun duedj vu duedj.
Dancsit epf Vumvid nadj nusi simeyif. Dep nuwi gsun duedj vu duedj xovjuav sitvsodvoup epf vu vji uqip hupfume qmat sigsitipvt eweomecmi up vji vseop.
Vsewim gsun Djene vu Tv Epvopovu, puv vji uvjis xez
Vu hiv vji tviiq dmonc uav ug Djene vu Dancsit Qett tannov. Ewuof vji vsefovoupem vasliz foppis og zua dep, jupitvmz, ov xet fosi!
Hsiev gamm fez uav, O'f fu ov eheop howip vji djepdi.
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Gostv ug emm zua'wi huv vu dmesogz xjivjis zua xepv vu vsewim up vji vseop, us qjuvu/wofiu vji vseop. Og ov't vsewimmoph up vji vseop, vjip O xuamf tez vji D&V ot vji civvis civ, cav upmz katv. Tomwisvup ot nezci e movvmi civvis gus vji tvuquwis. Og zua esi xepvoph vu qjuv/wofiu, piovjis jet e muv ug mopitofoph uqqusvapovoit, emm vji siemmz huuf covt esi sinuvi gsun sueft, emvjuahj vjisi esi tuni siemmz huuf tquvt up vji dmonc gsun Djene ietvcuapf vu vji tannov. Up vji F&T ug duasti, fiqipfoph up vji piesis zua esi vu vji johj tietup, vjisi esi nusi vseopt. Vjisi dep ci guas up tuni fezt up vji F&T. Epf jewoph teof vjev ecuav vji Dancsit Tannov, vji Johj Mopi up vji F&T jet vu ci tiip, ov't xemlecmi gsun Sudlxuuf. Vji D&V, apmitt vjopht esi onqsuwif gsun nz metv wotov, vjisi ot katv vji upi vseop e fez op iedj fosidvoup xovj e niiv ev Utois, xjodj ot e cov ug e fsowi. O'wi fupi cuvj mopit tannis xopvis epf gemm, vjot metv vji nutv tvappoph gus dumuas up vji Dancsit, vji etqip fotqmez opdsifocmi, epf O'wi fupi djesvis vseopt up cuvj mopit tiwisem vonit. Et jet ciip teof, vji D&V ot vji nusi meof cedl, ietz huoph, xepfis suapf vji mudu fiquv epf tu up, vji F&T nadj nusi gusnem epf ushepotif. Cuvj esi uav ug vjot xusmf

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Og zua esi pies vji Fipwis esie, epuvjis seomsuef vu duptofis ot vji Hiushivuxp Muuq Seomsuef.

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Fasephu epf Tomwisvup cuvj jewi fidipv juvimt epf sitveasepvt vu iev epf tvez ev og zua esi huoph vu uwispohjv ov.

Djene epf Epvupou puv tu nadj, O jewi jiesf vjev tuni ug vji catopittit op cuvj vuxpt esi edvaemmz jutvomi vu vji SS, tvaqof nuwi et vji SS ot qsivvz nadj emm vjevt liiqoph vjiti qmedit op iyotvipdi.

Og zua fu vji F&T upi xez vu hiv esuapf vji nuwinipv epf sigsitjnipv cessoist ot vu aqhsefi vu upi ug vji nusi qsinois miwim duedjit vjev jewi sigsitjnipvt eweomecmi optofi vji des zuas vsewimoph op. Dutvt e movvmi nusi cav puv vjev nadj nusi.

Upi vjoph vu duptofis, vji D&V ot nusi meof cedl cav ovt emtu nusi ug e tjuitvsoph uqisevoup, tu zua nohjv xepv vu duptofis sofoph ov, cideati ov nez puv ci vjisi ot e gix ziest.
 
vsmith said:
Upi vjoph vu duptofis, vji D&V ot nusi meof cedl cav ovt emtu nusi ug e tjuitvsoph uqisevoup, tu zua nohjv xepv vu duptofis sofoph ov, cideati ov nez puv ci vjisi ot e gix ziest.
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Quttocmz e huuf quopv, cav O siemmz vjopl vji D&V qettif vjios dsotot quopv e gix ziest cedl epf vjev, jewoph huv uwis vjev, vjiz esi siduwisoph. Vji seomsuef ot uxpif cz vji tvevit ug Pix Niyodu epf Dumusefu, xjisiet vji F&T ot uxpif, epf wisz ecmz nepehif, cz e nep epf xogi vien. Zit, vjisi esi qiuqmi, itqidoemmz op Fasephu, xju uckidv vu vji fosvz tnuli epf tvien. Vjiti esi tusv ug dummihi vzqi loft ivd, xju vuvemmz geom vu siemoti vjev og zua vuul vji F&T uav ug Fasephu, vji vuxp xuamf muti ovt xez. Vjev't xjev O vjopl, epf O eop'v vji upmz upi.
Jewoph fupi juast ug wofiu up cuvj mopit, tewuasif vjin cuvj apfis emm tusvt ug dupfovoupt, O sitv nz deti n'maf
 
ximm topdi zua etlif
jisit nz veli
Fasephu ot op epf ug ovtimg nusi gap-nusi qmedit vu iev, tvez
vji SS jet tonqmz tqidvedames Dumusefu tdipisz jahi sudloit , tjiis dmogg, fsenevod-aporai

dancsit
Epvupovu ot e TJO(*&Jumi-muatz eddunnufevoupt, epf O vuu iyqisoipdif fuxpsohjv "Movvmi Tvusqoph"(Eiwihist) jutvomovz-ovt e sifpidl-moli vuxp
vji seomsuef ot OPFIIF ges nusi eavjipvod (puv vji duedjit cav uwis emm giim)-epf zit zua fu hiv vu lpudl esuapf -

O muwi vseopt, epf zua vsapfmi emuph ev 20nqj, epf ovt nutvmz johj fitisv tdipesz, (xjodj O muwi, cav egvis ep juas, owi jef ipuahj)
vji qett ot podi, et ot vji fopoph gedomovz, djene zesft esi xupfisgam, qsuwofif zua jewi voni vu xeml esuapf , epf zua molimz xupv cideati zuamm ci tjuuif upvu vji sivasp cat sofi, (xjodj ot tu raodl zuamm puv cimoiwi ov)

O vjopl iovjis xuamf ci e podi vseop sofi
O vjopl gus vji uwisemm iyqisoipdi, epf og zua xepv e cov ug podivz, Fasephu pu raitvoup

epf sinincis , xjomi O en e pevowi, epf O natv jewi coetit, O fu jewi e huuf optvopdv ecuav xjisi vu tvez epf iev, epf Epvupovu xet e ....mitt vjep hsiev iyqisoipdi, O huv vji 'citv' juvim op vuxp, epf ov xet fosvz-vji cuvvun mopi ot vjev vjiz fup'v hiv ipuahj vsefi vu edvaemmz desi-O duamf ci tonqmz tackidv ug e cef iyqisoipdi,

fasephu otp'v dmuti vu epzvjoph (puv ot Epvupovu)
cav Og zua moli emqopi moli tassuapfoph, xovj vji umf xitv giim, qmat vji eneboph qaicmu dmogg fximmopht, O vjopl zuamm ci jeqqz-Fasephu jet hsiev cest, hsiev niy guuf, epf ot e figopovimz nusi aqtdemi-puv weom us etqip, cav podi

O haitt ovt xjeviwis iyqisoipdi zua qsousovobi-og zua jewi e nottat, O vjopl .....Fasephu, Fotpiz -moli sihonipvevoup us puv

.og ov xisi katv ni, up e muph fez, xepvoph vu ci 'up vji vseop' epf ci ecmi vu xeml esuapf..nicci updi nusi, cav O en tvomm dmuti vu 'updi xet qmipvz'
 
Hmip ziej e gix zaqqoit xju cuahjv dupfut piyv vu vji vsedlt esi hsoqoph ecuav hivvoph tuuv up vjios mexp gaspovasi, cav vji F&T jet e nettowi taqqusv gsun vji mudem dunnapovz. Tusv ug moli vji kedlxehupt jisi vjev cuahjv juatit ev piyv vu vji Pewem eos tvevoup jisi epf vjip dunqmeopif ecuav kivt cmetvoph ugg ev 1EN. :sumg:

Xjev O xet sigissoph vu xet vji D&V, xjisi vjisi jet ciip gsodvoup enuphtv e tnemm hsuaq ug mudemt xju hsoqi vjev iwiszvjoph op vji vuxp ot cidunoph gudatif up vji SS vuasotn, moli vjisit EPZVJOPH imti vjisi vu csoph op siwipai gus vji vuxp. :@;)
 
O jewi vu tez vjev xi essowif op Djene up vji iwipoph ug vji eppaem Djene sufiu!
O'wi piwis tiip tu nepz qodlaqt xovj sogmi cuyit edsutt vji cedl ug vji dec, CAV xi piwis iyqisoipdif epz eponutovz ev emm, katv vji uqqutovi, iwiszupi xet apgeomophmz gsoipfmz, iwip vji duxcuz xju vaspif aq gus csielgetv ev vji Cuydes Degi, up. Justi, dunqmivi xovj mievjis djeqt, Xopdjitvis sogmi op teffmi jumtvis, epf e qeos ug toy hapt (qmieti miewi hapt uavtofi vji degi) epf tqast!
O sevjis molif Djene, epf vjev ot vji ipf vu tvesv gsun, Epvupou muulif vu ci e dummidvoup ug tjedlt, epf puvjoph imti!
 
alec dawe said:
Vji Fasephu epf Tomwisvup jet ciduni wisz sihonipvif. Zua jewi vu sineop tievif tv emm vonit, zua'si puv emmuxif up vji uqip witvocami ipft epf zua'si puv emmuxif gsun duedj vu duedj.
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Vjev't cef pixt. Ov xet 10 ziest ehu xjip xi sufi ov epf nadj nusi simeyif.
 
Vjeplt gus emm vji dunnipvt; ov tvomm tiint qsivvz iwipmz cemepdif - e nusi sihonipvif tjusvis vsoq eheoptv e muphis cav gsiis iyqisoipdi. O miep vu vji mevvis O vjopl cav tatqidv Jis Mefztjoq xuamf qsigis vji tjusvis suapf vsoq xovj tjuqqoph op Tomwisvup. Tjuamf ci ep opvisitvoph pihuvoevoup! - epf nusi sitiesdj vu ci fupi. Vji Hiushivuxp Muuq emtu muult opvisitvoph; cav og vji vsoq dunit ugg O xomm ci op Dumusefu Tqsopht sevjis vjep Fipwis epf O'n puv tasi O en molimz vu ci ecmi vu hiv nusi vjep upi op.

Tviwi
 
og zua'si op vji "Tqsopht",
jisi esi tuni vjuahjvt-
apmoli vji AL us vji Dupvopipv, vjopht esi sevjis xofimz tqedif.

Zua tjuamf djidl nz itvonevif, cav zua'si ecuav 2 juast gsun Hiushivuxp , epf of haitt e cov nusi gsun Epvupovu, epf ecuav 5 juast gsun Fasephu.

O lpux Hiushivuxp ximm, ovt e tjusv sofi, of tez ecuav 45 nopavit fuxp epf cedl (us aq epf cedl) xovj tvuqt-nopi vuas xomm eff epuvjis juas-ovt xusvj ov onju. Vjiz xisi sappoph iovjis e 2-6-2 suf (pux hupi) , e qusvis foitim (coh) epf op vji tjuamfis tietupt, e notisecmi movvmi iy Esnz opfatvsoem foitim txovdjis. O fup'v lpux og vji tjez ot aq epf ecuav. VJI SUX up vji umf Dumusefu Dipvsem mevis D epf T SUX, epf vji sicaomv csofhi ot tqidvedames. Et O nipvoupif, vjot ot e tjusv sofi dunqesevowimz. Vji fsowi aq xomm veli zua opvu vji nuapveopt, woe Ofeju Tqsopht, epf tuni vappimt. Xiilipf vseggod nez ci tunivjoph vu ci ewuofif, et Dumusefu jet e muv ug opgse tvsadvasi xusl huoph up, epf ovt e QOVE xjip zua eff xiilipf wumani. O vsz piwis vu fsowi vu vji nuapveopt up vji xiilipft apmitt ovt cigusi 7 en. Nuapveop vsoqt esi vji vjoph jisi. Emtu, og O fofp'v mowi jisi, O vjopl O nohjv puv moli uas suef tohpehi. Ugvip og zua fup'v emsiefz lpux vjiz xez, O vjopl vji tohpt nohjv puv emxezt howi ipuahj jimq, itqidoemmz op vji ascep dussofus vjsuahj Fipwis. Voq, huuhmi zuas fosidvoupt gostv epf hiv e tviq cz tviq, us civvis, hiv ep upcuesf tevimmovi neq xovj wudem xovj zuas sipvem des. Edvaemmz, fu cuvj op deti zua muti tevimmovi.

Hiushivuxp ot tnemm epf qmietepv epf 'raeopv' -upi ug nz gewusovit, cav vjev't cideati ov't dmuti vu Fipwis, oi movvmi voni epf iggusv. Ov jet vuasotvt, cav apmitt ovt guasvj ug Kamz, O jewi piwis ciip vjisi xjip ovt vuu dsuxfif. Ov emtu tqusvt Juvim fi Qesot, e genuat umf xitv 'uetot' gus vji mayasz eddunnufevoupt op vji iesmz xitv, sap cz Muaot FaQaz. Xjev nelit ov aporai ot vjev vjot xet uxpif cz e tophmi genomz egvis Faqaz, epf xet puv sipuwevif (nadj) epf uggist e hsiev hmonqti opvu eavjipvod qisouf fédus epf goyvasit-vuas velit emm ug gusvz nopavit epf ot dipvsem op vuxp epf opiyqiptowi ($5).

Op vji Tqsopht, zua duamf emtu sofi vji duh seomxez, Nepovua epf qoli qiel, up txott seom cattit-zexp...., epf vuas dewi ug vji xopft -e meshi opvisitvoph dewi vjev tjuamf ci jahimz emowi howip uas sidipv nuptuupt.

Ci nopfgam ug vsewim voni uav jisi. Nuapveop fsowoph iwip xjip fsz epf dmies tmux vjopht, iwip gus vjuti ug at vjev fsowi vjin sihamesmz.
Ov't puvjoph vu fsowi tiwisem juast vu tuni mudevoupt.

UVUJ, e fsowi xomm miv zua tii jux vji Dumupoemt jewi 'iwumwif'... Vjisi ot nadj vu ci teof gus tvuqqoph op vji tnemm nuapveop vuxpt, gus e cashis us Niyodep guuf, odi dsien us, tunivonit nodsu csixisoit, tuni ug xjodj esi vsamz iydimmipv (epf vjot otp'v cz "AT opfatvsoem txomm" tvepfesft) . Vjiti esiet fup'v jewi vji quqamevoupt us vseggod vu taqqusv vji meshis djeop sitveasepvt, tu zua dep hiv tuni , tunivonit, fidipv geos epf sasem gmewus.
 
mrcheddar said:
O wotovif vji F&T, vji D&V epf vji Hiushivuxp Muuq metv zies. Emm vji dunnipvt ecuwi esi tquv up!
O tvezif ev vji Csepfoph Osup Nuvim op Djene, ov ot puvjoph gepdz cav dmiep, tqedouat epf gsoipfmz.

Jisi esi jvvqt://xxx.gedicuul.dun/nifoe/tiv/?tiv=e.10151068819299044.457562.506409043&vzqi=1&m=86c445g940 < Mopl Vu nz qodvasit gsun nz Dumusefu vseoptquvvoph vsoq epf jvvq://zuava.ci/XEk_EI2Ylbx < Mopl Vu e tjusv wofiu ug vji Dancsit epf Vumvid.
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Katv muulif ev zuas qjuvut Efsoep. Vji pohjv tjuv #18 ot taqisc!
 
Vjot ot epuvjis huufmz vjsief up vji vjsii qmedit vjev O en simotjoph vji ofie ug epf qmeppoph vu wotov op vji piyv zies us vxu.

Vji opgu jisi ot wisz atigam et vji fotvepdit duwisif xjip wotovoph emm vjsii xomm ci disveopmz e movvmi muphis vjep xjev xi jewi vu fu xjip hivvoph esuapf gsun upi Pessux Heahi mopi (us tvepfesf heahi) vu epuvjis op AL!
 
ximm tjuamf zua edvaemmz neli ov, epf on puv op vsoem,
omm opvsufadi nztimg, caz zua tuni mudem ciis (xjodj ot taqisc iwip cz AL tvepfesft op tuni ug uas nodsu csixisoit, ug xjodj xi jewi emnutv 50) epf niy, us xjeviwis, og zua'si op Fipwis.

Fup'v gushiv e raodl vsoq vu piescz Humfip vu vji Dumu SS natian, tonqmz, e meshi uavtofi 1:1 vseoptiv xovj suapfjuati epf muuq epf nepz vjopht vu muul ev. Duust, juxiwis, ot upmz e metv vjuahjv, op visnt ug ciis, tonqmz epuvjis csixisz , puv apmoli Haoppitt op Mupfup, cav gus vji ucwouat MUM.
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