derailing LGB US coach

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ive got a new (NOS) german made WP&Y lake spirit coach
the damned thing derails-much more so than any of my many other us style coaches and other NG cars (baggage observation etc)
be it at front of consist , rear of consist, middle-3 cars or 6
both directions
trucks seem to flex properly
cant imagine its out of gauge

and thoughts???
now my track work is far from perfect , but i dont seem to have these issues with other cars-be it metal or stock LGB wheels

doesnt seem ot have anything to be related to how the coupler shanks (hooks) interact either-ie one pushing against the other in a hook to hook , or hook to loop only
 
Plastic wheels? Check the gauge. Also check the bogie pivots are not too tight and have plenty of lateral play in them.
What sort of bogies are they - are the side frames held on with a small screw into the cross bar? If so try loosening one or both a little.
 
ive checked the side frame screw and it moves easily-
but i didnt think about the center pivot screw
yes the side frames are held on with a samll screw and ive checked these for easy play-and they have it

these are the bogies used on the DRG yellow coaches ; the same passenger style US frame

steve: how are they a different design>>>>>??????please elaborate as they appear identical, and these are german made-circa 1998 i believe i recall
 
well
they are the grey
and
i loosened the center pin
no changes
didnt see any distortions
added a good deal of weight to the roof and still having problems (as an experiment trackside to see if this would make a change-not as a permanenet or good solution-just a chunk of flat granite on the roof from my track cleaning sled)

im really at a loss here-it just seems that on my track the flange simply seems to jump at some joint connections and to drop off if there's any torque at all to the track

this things a right pain in the ..
doesnt seem to be any binding whatsoever and the frame plays freely for compensation
 
well
i still dont know the why
but
i changed to metal gary raymond wheels and actually tightened all of the screws-side frames and pviots-runs great now-old wheels were in gauge
 
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