Gauge 3 in the UK

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I was interested in reading `cocobear`s` previous posting regarding the Bassett-Lowke G1 Mogul.
In case you didn`t know it this company also made Gauge 3 models which was a popular scale that modelers in the UK ran during the 1930s.

Gauge 1 was still very wet behind the ears and gscale was not even at the short trouser stage.
As for gas firing, that was something that blew out soon as you got a breeze!

The gauge 3 Atlantic in this you tube video was made up from parts in 1938, hence the number on the cab side. It is of course coal fired.
The parts were made by a company called Jackson Rigby with whom Henry Greenly was a director / consultant.
Firms like Bonds, Jubb and many others took in these parts and made them into their own kits.

This Atlantic was one such kit and was passed down from a friends late father.
There has been some cosmetic surgery with a new super heater and water pump but basically it very much as made and even has the original boiler
The teaks were made by the late Fred Newman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTzqh5CAEfc&list=UUjUA51QsBdV8jf0f2fUIfBA
 

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Nice, very nice. A good steady speed too. :D
 
Beautiful! :)
The speed looks "right" - very realistic for an express mainline service, at least to my eye.

Jon.
 
Very nice indeed. I was admiring the Kingscale range of gauge 3 that was on display at Alexandra Palace a few days ago. Looked impressive.
 
Don't we all! ;D
 
Given that Gauge 3 is usually taken to be "G scale Standard Gauge", and seems to be modelled with a lot more "accuracy" and attention to scale than narrow-gauge G, what IS the official SCALE of Gauge 3? It seems to work out almost exactly right at 1:22.5, but is this taken as gospel throughout the hobby?

Jon.
 
Gauge 3 is 2 and a half inch gauge (63.5mm) and yes, it is 22.5:1
 
stockers said:
Gauge 3 is 2 and a half inch gauge (63.5mm) and yes, it is 22.5:1
So..
Theoretically.. ..
IF we can decide on what gauge we are talking about .. .. ..
We should be able to come up with a definitive answer of what 'G scale' actually is!! :o

Tin hat, and dives into nearest foxhole!
;) :D ;D ;D
 
PhilP said:
So..
Theoretically.. ..
IF we can decide on what gauge we are talking about .. .. ..
We should be able to come up with a definitive answer of what 'G scale' actually is!! :o

Tin hat, and dives into nearest foxhole!
;) :D ;D ;D

That won't save you, Phil - you need one of them fancy armoured suits that the Bomb Disposal guys wear if you're going to re-open that particular can of worms.... ;)

Jon.
 
stockers said:
Gauge 3 is 2 and a half inch gauge (63.5mm) and yes, it is 22.5:1

Well, yes, if the gauge of the rail being modelled is 4'8 1/2", ie "standard". If one was modelling Irish or Australian broad gauge it would work out at about 1:25; metre would be 1:15.6, 3' (US narrow) 1:14.4, 3'6" (Cape gauge, NZ & most common Australian narrow gauge)1:16.8 ......... So we're back with the same thing "G", or at least 45mm track (which btw works out at a smidge under 1:24 for 3'6") causes!
 
Well, back to the same old thing really.

No such thing as 'G Scale'.

There's scale, which can expressed as something like 16mm to the foot, or 1:25 or whatever, and there's gauge which could be at 12" to the foot, 4' 8.5" or meter gauge or whatever. The combination of the two gives you what you're modelling in. That's if your a pedant (and there's nothing wrong with that).

...or you implement Rule 8 and do whatever you want ;)

But, there's no such thing, never has been and never will be 'G Scale'!
 
But, there's no such thing, never has been and never will be 'G Scale'!

So why can't I ... ... ...

Oh, never mind!! ;)

I will model to 'Rule 8', or the end of my foot, if you don't like it!!
;) ;) ;) :D ;D ;D
 
G gauge as I understand is an invention of the Richters who took meter gauge prototypes and using 45 mil track worked out a scale of 1 22.5 which also equates to continental gauge 11 on standard gauge which is more or less the same as UK gauge 3. further information can be gleaned from the Cumberland engineering website as he talks about F scale and such. Some continental models can be seen on the Magnusbahn website although this company has now ceased manufacture. Short videos can be seen on you tube just search Spur 11 freunde Berlin
 
Just a wild and possibly heretical suggestion, maybe we should all drop any references to "G Scale" or "G Gauge" and simply adopt the term that several Euro manufacturers have done: G45.
You'll see the little round "G45" logo on a number of products, including all of TrainLine45's, Liliput's and others, as well as on a number of the German published G magazines.
It says, quite simply, what most of the hobby does - run on 45mm track in whatever scale you consider and prefer your "G" to be.

So who's up for a "G45 Society" then...? ;)

Jon.
 
Zerogee said:
Just a wild and possibly heretical suggestion, maybe we should all drop any references to "G Scale" or "G Gauge" and simply adopt the term that several Euro manufacturers have done: G45.
You'll see the little round "G45" logo on a number of products, including all of TrainLine45's, Liliput's and others, as well as on a number of the German published G magazines.
It says, quite simply, what most of the hobby does - run on 45mm track in whatever scale you consider and prefer your "G" to be.

So who's up for a "G45 Society" then...? ;)

Jon.

And G32 maybe??? :-)

Shaun
 
The Europeans seem to use IIm as an alternative to G.
 
32mm?????? BLASPHEMY!!!! STONE THE HERETIC!!!!!! :o >:( :o

;) Only kidding..... :)

Yep, why not? G32, G45, and G64.....?

Jon.

PS: IIm, I think, implies something a little more precise - ie: m for Meter gauge?
 
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