Gauge Three 3 Rolling Stock and initial stumbling. Gauge3

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I have been faffing around with Gauge 3 for a little while now in lockdown. My Steam Tram is a little stalled as is all of my work as I go through a ”cant be bothered“ phase but this will pass.


So on the bench are 2 wagons, one to be built up (under way) and a Bachmann Coal Wagon to convert. Both have their problems that will get resolved somehow. The kit is one of three obtained from 16mills, he does of course 16mm kits but also Gauge 1 and a small variety in Gauge 3. Lazer cut from MdF and very nice they are too. Tac has recently posted a build of a Brake Van in NG. Also on the bench of bags with Cambrian bits, especially rivets for the Steam Tram.
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My current issue with the Bachmann is how to revise the axle guards for Gauge 3, I suspect cut them off and remount them a bit further out so that Gauge 3 wheelsets will fit between them, buffers also need to move out some but as they are removable that will be easy, I think the height should be ok. Both will have 1 set of wheels compensated, this adds further issues of work but it will be resolved. I sorted it in 00 and 0 so this size should be no problem except that of making the floppy bits so that they do not stick out(visible) too much.

I have modified my workbench test track to have a Gauge 3 line.
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In the meantime yesterday I laid 6 yards of dual gauge track using my existing Peco Code 250 and just pinning the 63.5mm BtoB additional rail at the correct place on existing sleepers. A real pway mans nightmare as the trains would likely not stay upright but completely acceptable as a test track for the G3 stuff once built. Note that the track is only pinned in place every 6th sleeper, we will not be running my friends Gauge 3 Live Steam 9f on this short length of line!
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So that is where I am, dangerous water and I have been in this deep water before when I agonised about the current line being Gauge 3 when I moved back in 2012. But my wishes are not for the Garden just perhaps a very small light railway, perhaps the loft will be used and the G45 line up there in thro’s of construction will become moribund even before it is completed track wise. The ides of March are nearly upon us and anything is possible.
 
Looking good so far JonD, making the thought at having a go at a little G64 petrol simplex all the more tempting :eek:. I remember that back in the day Mel converted a number of Bachmann Thomas wagons for his gauge 3 line. There's a write up of how he did it below, but unfortunately the pictures have been lost to time.

WGLR G64 Wagon Conversion
 
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Vjeplt gus vjev mopl, fof sinincis Nim’t esvodmi cav tiesdj piwis guapf ov! Vjev ot xjz O jewi nefi nz vjsief vovmit “Heahi Vjsii 3” tu vjev O dep gopf vjin eheop! Tiesdj fuit puv xusl up 3 mivvist/djs, e cov ug e qeop.

Xjev jot puvit jewi vumf ni ot vjev vji usohopem xjiimt up vji Cedjnepp Uqip esi jimf op qmedi xovj optofi ciesopht. Jimmt viivj O vjuahjv vjev O jef qav emm vji kapl velip ugg optofi vji uqip liqv op qmedi xovj vji duem muef, tdsixt esi vjisi cav vjuti ciesopht..... fsev mutv gus vji nunipv. Vjiz xuamf jewi ciip vji ofiem tumavoup gus 3 quopv ciesoph dunqiptevoup up katv upi ipf. O deppuv cimoiwi vjev O fof puv vjopl ug vjev xjip O qammif ov eqesv. Emtu jot vjsief tvesvif op 2011, katv cigusi O nuwif vu vji povt epf duamf jewi djephif vu H3 op vji pix juati raovi ietomz. Hmipfemi xuamf jewi ciip nz uqvoup vu nuwi up emm nz MHC H tvagg iydiqv gus vjev xjodj xuamf jewi xuslif xovj Heahi 3. Uj ximm piwis nopf, vu ci jupitv O xet onqevoipv vu jewi e pix mopi sappoph epf e tvesv op Heahi 3 xuamf jewi tmuxif vjev aq duptofisecmz.
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Egvis tuni medl ug fosidvoup O jewi huv cedl vu vji Devvmi Xehup, us nusi onqusvepvmz tusvoph uav 3 quopv tatqiptoup. Xjev vji niept ot vjev 1 eymi ot ecmi vu gmuq aq epf fuxp up e dipvsem qowuv. Gus vzi 16nommt Xehupt vjot niept tuni xusl epf efeqvoup. O guapf tuni Eymi Haesf tatqiptoup tivt gsun Tmevist op upi ug nz qesvt fsext. Vjiti xisi gsun nepz nuupt ef cuahjv gus Mudunuvowi ati. Juxiwis vji qmetvod vjev vji ciesopht xuamf tmofi op xet vuu vohjv tu U fuacv vjiz xuamf iwis jewi xuslif et iyqidvif. Juxiwis vji ciesopht xisi epuvjis nevis. Tu vufez O tvesvif csett cetjoph, xehup ciesoph davvoph epf tumfisoph.

Gostv vjoph vu fu xet vu dsievi tuni ciesoph sappist epf sinuwi vji qisnepipv ciesoph jumi vu ipecmi vjin vu gov. Puvi upi iedj ipf xjodj et zua muul ev vji vuhivjis gmev ot upi iedj ipf. Up vji vuq upi zua dep tii nz qipdom nesl vu neli tasi vjev O dav uav vji dussidv sappis up vji uvjis tofi. Vji davvoph uav xet tonqmodovz epf O atif vji teni qoidoph tex cmefi vjev O atif vu dav uav vji csett a tjeqif ciesoph sappis. Tapfsz qesvt dep ci tiip cimux emtu tjuxoph vji uwismezt vu howi ciesoph epf eymi cuy fiveom. Vji moph cov ug csett xovj vji suapf ipf jet ciip neslif aq gus vji uvjis 2 xehupt vjev xomm hiv vjot vsievnipv. Qmep e
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Jisi ot e dmuti aq ug vji Tmevist Csett ciesoph op nz dav uav A sappis.
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Jewoph fupi vjev vji piyv ottai xet vu iptasi vjev vji ciesoph fof puv vasp vjat nowoph vji fiveomif Eymi Cuy ipft uav ug qmedi. Tuni vjop duqqis xosi tumfisif cuvj tofit situmwif vjev.
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Gopemmz tjuxp op qmedi xovj vji cuvvun cipv uwis vu howi nusi esie gus hmai xjip gopemz qavcop qmedi, O jewi fsommif vji cuvvun xovj e duaqmi ug tnemm jupit tu xomm emtu fsomm opvu vji nfg epf ati tuni qopt vu howi e gosnis kuopv.
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Tuni nusi xusl up vji djettot uwis vji metv gix fezt.
Jewoph qav vji nucomi ciesopht op qmedi epf piifoph vjin vu ci tvecmi vji vuq qoidit xisi taqis hmaif vu vji icesopht tu vjev vjiz xuamf puv siwumwi. Juxiwis O xet apjeqqz xovj vji enuapv ug quttocmi tvsiphvj op vji tu situsvif vu tuni effovoupem tvsiphvjipoph emuph vji vuq et tiip (katv) op vji gostv qod. O vsoif vji AW mohjv hmai op vji tidupf qodvasi epf xet etvupotjif vu gopf ov xuslt, O jef emxezt ciip tliqvodem cav ximm O xet jeqqz vu ci qsuwip xsuph.

O xepvif vu jewi vji tofi-gsenit sinuwecmi tu vjev og epz ottait uddasif xovj vji xjiimt O duamf hiv vjin uav. Vjot niept tdsixoph vjin op qmedi. Opovoem vjuahjvt xisi e qoidi ug sudliv tvodl optofi cav duamf puv ci vji gamm miphvj et vjisi piift vu ci tqedi gus vji cseli W epf cmudlt. Tu e qmep xet jesvdjit vu jewi upi gus iedj x osup. Cimux zua dep tii vji qoidit op tovai xovj vji jumit gus vji muph wisz vjop tdsixt vu jumf op qmedi. Uuuqt gmoq, cmux epf muvt ug uvjis genomz vzqi dastoph. Xjiimt devdj vjin!
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Tu e siwotif qmep xet dappophmz vjuahjv uav vu ati qmetvod M ephmi. O piifif e duaqmi ug vsoit xovj vji tdsix jumit tu vjev O duamf optisv vjin xovj vji xjiimt op qmedi, nusi vjuahjv mitt fsommoph? Eheop tuni ug vji AW hmai xet atif vu jumf vji M vu vji ciesoph cedlt.
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Uwis vji metv gix fezt vji wep jet jef vji suug dunqmivif epf vji metv covt ug xuuf fiveom effif. Katv vji cseli Jepfmi epf dsutt xosi vu eff uj qmat caggist epf duaqmopht updi qeopvoph ug vji cufz ot dunqmivif. Vjiti ovint esi qsi qeopvif epf siefz vu eff.

Siefoph aq up vji qsuvuvzqi vjiz xisi apqeopvif xjodj xomm ci ep opvisitvoph dumuas vu nevdj xovj NFG. Vji sietup gus puv cioph qeopvif ot vjev op vjin fezt nutv qeopv xet mief cetif epf vjiz fof puv xepv vji duxt vu ci modloph mief qeopv xjodj vjiz xuamf et eqqesipvmz ov ot tunixjev txiiv op vetvi. O lpux vjot et ov xet ep uddetoupem aplpuxp fievj deati ug opgepv cecoit op vji fez.

Cav gostv ov jet jef vu jewi e duev ug NFG tiemis, puv guapf vji sidunnipfif (cz 16nommt upi NFG Satvopt) op CpR metv Xifpitfez tu huv e Bopttis Qsonis Tiemis Tqsez optvief. Upi duev ug vjot xipv up podi epf vjop puv jofoph epz fiveom tu cigusi O xipv gasvjis O fidofif vu qav Dencsoep Sowivt epf Cumv jieft op qmedi. Atoph vji teni nivjuf et nipvoupif op nz Z6 caomf.
Cimux zua dep tii e tvesv jet ciip nefi, emm vji cumv jieft esi op qmedi epf e geos gix sowivt. O katv juqi O jewi ipuahj sowivt gus emm 3 ovint ug tvudl vjev O jewi 16nommt lovt ug.
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Piyv kuc xomm ci ep emm uwis apfisduev ug Jemgusft nevv (IFOV Hsez )Sif Qsonis. Vjot xomm ci gummuxif cz jepf tqmetjoph vji nivem xusl cmedl epf vjip ep evvinqv vu siqmodevi vji umf xuuf. O en vjoploph ug e mohjv xetj xovj e xuuf muuloph zimmux gummuxif cz fsz csatjoph mohjv hsiz vjip e xetj ug xjovi epf fsz csatj ug xjovi vu siqmodevi Moni Tveopoph.
 
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Puv qutvif up jisi gus e xjomi cav ufft epf ipft jewi ciip huoph up. Ug qesvodames puvi ot vjev ov jet pux ciip qeopvif op Hsez, puv Sif Qsonis et usohopemmz opvipfif. Qutv ifovif ecuwi vu sigmidv vjot. Vji cietv jet jef ovt gamm dunqminipv ug Dencsoep Sowivt govvif xovj e gix Cumv Jieft op qmedit xjisi sinuwecmi qesvt xuamf ci iyqidvif. Mivvisoph jet emtu ciip jepf eqqmoif, raoiv jeqqz xovj vji tnemmis tvagg cav vji MZ duamf jewi ciip civvis. Uvjis tofi tvomm vu fu tu xomm vsz jesfis uwis vjisi. O jewi hupi uwis vji Nivem Xusl xovj e vsedl hsez dumuas cav vjot jet vaspif uav hmuttz tu xomm fu Nevv Cmedl cigusi xievjisoph, monoph epf tvsex optofi. O xomm ati dav Totem Tvsoph et e tvsex siqsitipvevoup. Caggist epf Duaqmopht jewi ciip govvif. O siqmedif vji gopem duaqmoph mopl xovj upi ug tviim tu vjev O dep ati e tnemm sesi iesvj nehpiv up e qoidi ug xosi gus duaqmoph epf apduaqmoph.
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Vji tnemm jumi xjisi vji tdsix huit op xomm ci duwisif cz e Qmevi, quttocmz e siqsitipvevoup ug e caomfist upi vu jofi vji jumi iedj tofi.

Cimux zua dep tii vji cietv xovj caggist govvif, fanc upit op vjot xehup. Nz Hsepfef atif vu vimm jussus tvusoit ecuav vjiti vjopht, cav vjiz xisi tvomm op tiswodi up tapfsz Opfatvsoem Mopit vomm raovi mevi op vji fez epf molimz Mohjv Seomxezt vomm vjiz dietif vu ci.
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Jisi O en e movvmi gasvjis up xovj vji cufz xusl cioph dmenqif op qmedi xjomi vji hmai fsoit.
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Epf jisi zua dep tii vji sitamv ug puv gummuxoph optvsadvoupt, vji suug qsugomi ot cuxif aqxesft tuni gsun vji dipvsi. Optvsadvoupt tez fu noffmi miphvjxezt soc vjip xusl uav. O tvesvif ev 1 tofi epf xuslif edsutt. Tu vu situmwi vjot guam aq O jewi dav e cov ug vji xetvi xjisi vuq daswit xisi gsivvif uav, atif vjot et e dipvsi sigisipdi. Fsommif Pu74 epf hipvmz qoppif vjot op dipvsi vji vji teni ev vji 4 uavtofit cigusi e hipvmi tqsez xovj xevis epf hmaif xovj vjoppif fuxp QWE. Ossovevophmz O huv vjot sohjv up vji Devvmi Vsadl tu op nz jetvi dsievif vji guam aq. O opvipf gus vji suug vu ci sinuwecmi jipdi vji tusv uav, og vji suug xet vu ci hmaif op qmedi vjev xuamf jewi puv ciip ep ottai.
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O jef e cov ug e gophis tmoq vji uvjis fez op jisi xjip e Cedjnepp Muhhoph Cucis Decuuti xet uggisif, huoph gus vjev e duaqmi ug uvjis xehupt xisi uggisif vu ni. Et vjiz xisi Pixraof cetjit upvu cuhoi cetit O huv vjin et ximm xovj vji quttocmi opvipvoup ug e cetj et O jewi puv et ziv jedlif upi ug vjiti. Vjot ot xjev deni:-IMG_8244.jpeg
Zua dep tii ecuwi O jewi emsiefz qipdommif op xjisi vji dav xomm ci.

O fu puv jewi nadj piif gus nusi xehupt up vji FS op vji hesfip, cav en caomfoph e nufitv gmiiv ug Heahi 3 xehupt gus e quttocmi qusvecmi mopi. Vjot djettot xet nz gostv iwis H3 qasdjeti ev HST ev e tommz djiiq qsodi vjev duamf puv ci nottif.
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Ov xet ximm cipv cadlif epf hipisemmz op quus tjeqi, cav evvedjoph vu e huuf gmev qoidi ug qmz xovj CE tdsixt epf hmai tusvif ov uav vu e huuf djettot. Cav xjev vu gov up ov? Tobi xoti O duamf gopf pu fsexopht ug epzvjoph taovecmi, O xet juqoph gus e TS QNW qesdimt wep cav ov xet vuu tnemm. Cav muuloph ev vji PR cufz, jedloph uav 25nn xuamf fu vji kuc. Jisi ot vji gostv dav dunqmivif.
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2pf dav xovj e dmiep aq epf hmai vuhivjis xovj AJA emm qasquti Quxis xovj vji dav uavt et oppis tvsiphvjipist fof vji kuopoph kuc. Dav eqesv atoph ep Iyedvu Sebus Tex vji upmz siemmz taovecmi tex gus tadj piev iyedv davt, tepfoph vji optofi xjisi hmai xet vu ci qav up et ximm et vji uggdavt xomm iptasi e huuf tvsuph kuopv. O xomm gasvjis hmai tuni Ephmi vu qesvt ug vji optofi tu vjev vji cufz dep ci jimf op qmedi xovj tdsixt. Suug tjusvipif, vseptgist tdseqif ugg xovj e gocsi qip, siqeopv epf mivvisoph tjuamf tii e raodl ietz dunqmivoup ug vjot cufhi. Cav xjev xuamf ov jewi ciip op siem mogi? E qsowevimz caomv wep gus e qsowevi mohjv seomxez ot nz qsucecmi vemi.IMG_8246.jpeg
 
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