GE 4/4 II trips Massoth central station each time power applied

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Apologies in advance for the length of this post but I wanted to provide as much info as possible about this problem.

I got hold of an Arosa Sammler edition set a while back which inlcudes loco RhB GE 4/4 II number 627. The gearboxes of the loco identify it as a 20432.1

I was told the loco had been chipped with 2 x 55021 decoders, so I checked the loco out using my Massoth service tool (power switch in position 0). All CVs were read OK and I was able to make changes to loco address, digital only, etc. However, when I put the loco on the tracks and move the cab power switch to position 1, my Massoth central station immediately trips (red STOP lights flashing on Navigator).

I've opened up the loco to see if there was an obvious cause such as a loose wire but all seemed to be in order. I disconnected the ribbon cable between the board on the loco roof and the main board on the base and the loco then worked fine. Ran backwards and forwards smoothly, no funny smells or arcing sounds. So I assume the problem must to lie in the electronics in the body.

As part of trying to home in on the problem, I reconnected the body-to-base ribbon cable and then unplugged each of the leads from the "roof" board in turn. Unfortunately, whatever leads I unplugged I got the same result as before - turn power switch to anything other than position 1 and the Massoth trips out. I eventually ended up with just the lead from the cab switch connected to the roof board, and the problem still persists.

As far as I can tell with some basic continuity testing, the output leads from the switch pass current when they're supposed to, but I don't know how to test if the switch itself is somehow "cross-connecting". I'm therefore hoping someone may recognize the loco innards and have some suggestions on how I can narrow down the problem.

One other thing that struck me as odd - the loco has motorised pantos, but when these were unclipped from their storage position, they both immediately sprang up to full height. This is unlike my other GE 4/4 IIs where the pantos lie flat when they've been unclipped, and only move up and down when driven by the panto motors. Having checked the motors they aren't seized but I'm wondering if some previous owner has used them when the pantos have been clipped down, and as a result caused some kind of damage.

Thoughts or suggestions?
Thanks!


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As a first quick reply, no damage should result in the pans being clipped down and operated as the mech is spring loaded. Lots of these type of locos would be run on layouts where a raised pan would get ripped off, so would be always clipped. I'm fairly sure you can't isolate the auto raising as you describe.
 
Are there any DIP switches on the main board? Some loco's need these switching when converting to DCC operation. You should be able to download a manual for the loco which should say what needs switching.
 
Yes there are switches (6 of them) and they are all in the correct (off) position.
There are also 8 dip switches on the board in the roof - only 4 are set to on - but I think these may be to do with sounds as there is a label saying "Sound" next to them on the board.

(Also, thanks for the reassurance about the pantos.)
 
Sorry ignore the comment about the "Sound" label. That's elsewhere on the board.
I must be gettting over excited about my trip to Wernigerode tomorrow!
 
Been mulling this over in between riding around on the HSB, dashing around at Drei Annen Hohne to get photos (:):):):):)).

Given the age of the loco, plus the fact I don't know its previous history, I think a rewire using a new decoder such as an XLS is the optimum approach.

I'd dearly like to keep the existing lighting boards if at all possible - the motorised pantos would be "nice to have but not essential". As far as I could tell from the wiring, it looks like I could simply run a feed from the XLS lighting terminals to the existing lighting boards, and bypass the "roof" board that seems to be causing the central station to trip.

Has anyone done this kind of thing on a GE 4/4 II or other loco? If so, are there any things to look out for?

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!
 
Start a 'conversation' when you get back in front of the bench..
Meanwhile, forget about it, and enjoy the trip!
 
Thanks for the link - much appreciated.

I've got the XLS decoder installed with sound and lights working OK, and this gives me a clue on how to get the pantos working correctly.
 
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