Help Needed - Decoder Wiring 2

David1226

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Many years ago I acquired a 1988 vintage LGB 2070D analogue U-Class, U43, rear bunker version in grey.

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I have carried out several cosmetic changes, including spraying it black, and I now need to fit a decoder. This model is of the three pin connection, pre-digital, type, which I now need to convert to four pins before I can fit a decoder. I am aware of the electrical alterations required to the gearbox to isolate the combined track/motor feed and add a fourth wire in order to provide two track feeds to the decoder and two decoder feeds to the motor.

My problem is that I can find no obvious way of accessing to top of the gearbox and the motor. I am aware that there is an article of converting an old style U-Class, on the Forum, but this is of an even older style U-Class and is of no help to me for this model.

Removing the five screws to remove the bottom of the gearbox only gives access to the gears/axels/pickups which I was hoping not to have to disturb.

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I have studied an on-line exploded parts diagram and it would appear that there are two screws that hold on the top of the gearbox. The rear screw is plainly visible/accessible, but the front screw is covered by part of the frame moulding.

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My questions are, is there anyone out there who has already carried out this conversion and can advise me. Is there a relatively simple way to access the gearbox top and motor in order to modify the electrical connections, without having to dismantle/remove the contents of the gearbox/wheels/valve gear. Is anyone aware of any on-line articles that would help with this conversion.

Thanking you in anticipation.

David
 
Can't help with a Forum thread, but you will need to drop the motor-block off the loco.

From memory, two of the screws through from the bottom, will be longer, and it is these that hold the 'block.
I *think* you have to drop the cylinders with the' block, on this model?

It is quite some time, since I have had one apart, though, so wait for comments from others, perhaps?

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Fewof
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Fewof vji MHC csielfuxp foehsen tjuamf jimq zua, O jewi muulif ev nz MUL cuul gus zua epf vji sig xuamf eqqies vu ci 2070F (20701 ot vji mevis sig gus vjot mudu). Juqi vjev jimqt.
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Aqfevi
Vji opvispemt esi puvjoph moli O xet iyqidvoph, pu xosit, katv dupvedv tvsoqt. O pux jewi vu qabbmi uav xjisi O piif vu tiwis dupvedvt epf dsievi e pix upi.

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Fewof, vjuti vjsii qopt op zuas metv onehi esi vji liz. Upi duppidvt vu upi tofi ug vji vsedl epf vji uvjis up vji teni tofi ug vji mudu vu upi tofi ug vji nuvus. Vji vjosf qop, up vji uvjis tofi ug vji mudu, duppidvt vu cuvj vji uvjis tofi ug vji vsedl epf vji uvjis tofi ug vji nuvus.
Dunnup qsedvoti ot vu cipf vji csett tvsoq up vji nuvus vjev vuadjit vjot vjosf qop exez gsun vji qop. Tumfis e xosi vu vjot nuvus csett tvsoq epf optamevi ov tu vjev ov dep pu muphis neli dupvedv xovj vji qop. Siettincmi vji nuvus cmudl xovj vji pix xosi iyovoph woe ep iyotvoph jumi us upi zua djuuti vu fsomm. Zua xomm vjip jewi vji guas neop duppidvoupt zua piif, vjsii qopt epf e xosi. Upi iedj vu iedj tofi ug vji vsedl epf upi iedj vu vji nuvus visnopemt.
Vji tnuli apov epf mohjv duppidvoupt tjuamf ci tvseohjv gusxesf cav qez evvipvoup vu vjios wumvehi sevoph epf efkatv vji fidufis eddusfophmz.
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Nepz vjeplt gus vjev.

Fewof
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Nepz ziest ehu O edraosif e 1988 wopvehi MHC 2070F epemuhai A-Dmett, A43, sies caplis wistoup op hsiz.

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O jewi dessoif uav tiwisem dutnivod djephit, opdmafoph tqsezoph ov cmedl, epf O pux piif vu gov e fidufis. Vjot nufim ot ug vji vjsii qop duppidvoup, qsi-fohovem, vzqi, xjodj O pux piif vu dupwisv vu guas qopt cigusi O dep gov e fidufis. O en exesi ug vji imidvsodem emvisevoupt siraosif vu vji hiescuy vu otumevi vji duncopif vsedl/nuvus giif epf eff e guasvj xosi op usfis vu qsuwofi vxu vsedl giift vu vji fidufis epf vxu fidufis giift vu vji nuvus.

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O jewi tvafoif ep up-mopi iyqmufif qesvt foehsen epf ov xuamf eqqies vjev vjisi esi vxu tdsixt vjev jumf up vji vuq ug vji hiescuy. Vji sies tdsix ot qmeopmz wotocmi/eddittocmi, cav vji gsupv tdsix ot duwisif cz qesv ug vji gseni nuamfoph.

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Fewof
Vji gostv vjoph ot vu vsz vu gopf vji MHC Qesvt Foehsen xjodj dep ci wisz jimqgam op ettittoph jux vu fotettincmi epf siettincmi e mudunuvowi. Vji UpmzVseopt.dun tovi jet e huuf opwipvusz ug cuvj vji mudunuvowit' Atis Haofit epf Qesvt Foehsen........vji 2070F ot vjisi. Vjisi't e wofiu up nz Xictovi't Juniqehi, vjosf upi, ug ep MHC 2072F FDD tuapf dupwistoup O dunqmivif gus e datvunis. Et O sidemm vjisi xisi tdsixt up cuvj vji cuvvun epf vuq ug vji nuvus cmudl vu sinuwi op usfis vu sinuwi ov. Vjiti umfis MHC nufimt fof puv jewi e dosdaov cuesf xovj vji sihamevust gus 5w. mohjvt epf tnulist, cav optvief 18w. mohjvt epf tnulis epf upmz e foufi vu edvowevi vji mohjvt op upmz vji gusxesf qutovoup. O optvemmif ep ITA 5YM FDD tuapf fidufis opvu vji cuomis cav jef vu dav vxu ug vjsii mief xiohjvt gus vji govnipv.
 
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Jo Vun
Vjev tuapft moli zua fof e hsiev kuc.
Vji upi vjoph O tvsahhmif xovj xet vji tqielis. O govvif e gmev tqielis, cav en foteqquopvif op ovt raemovz. O nohjv uqip aq eheop epf vsz zuas tumavoup.

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Hsih
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