Heng Long smoke generator

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I decided to try a Heng Long smoke generator in one of my diesels. I like the way it turned out. It was a relatively easy task. Fortunately the smoke generator fit like a glove under the hood of the 2090 diesel. The noise you hear is from the smoke generator's motor. The last noise you hear is me being called to some other task. Here are two short videos.
http://youtu.be/4FbMHfkbS9c

http://youtu.be/zSLxQzjBBM8
 
i particularly like your vid with the schoema as well-
dan-i use analog track power-could i have success with the USA unit ?
what is the rough threshold voltage to get the unit smoking?
i really like both -really makes the plain jane diesels interesting
 
Jon, I did not take any pictures. The 2090 locos are quite simple electrically. Since I run battery power, I hooked everything up to the two leads from the motor. The loco gets it's power from a trailing car, which feeds the juice to the lighting sockets at the rear of the loco. I can get directional lighting with LEDs by hooking the front LEDs so that they will light when the loco is moving forward and the rear headlights are wired opposite of the front lights. Thus they will light when moving backward.

Steve, The USA smoke unit seems to operate on a fairly low voltage. So I would presume that you should have smoke while running at low speeds. My batteries are 14.8 volt models. But I would guess that they locos are running at no more than ten maybe eleven volts.
 
Those Heng Long smoke generators are cheap to buy but I've always wondered about their longevity. In the Heng Long tanks they are designed for, they seem not to give a generous amount of smoke due to being too far from the end of the exhausts, but tested on their own they look okay. You forgot to mention that the units motor is to drive a piston which gives the pulsed effect.
 
Madman said:
I decided to try a Heng Long smoke generator in one of my diesels. I like the way it turned out. It was a relatively easy task. Fortunately the smoke generator fit like a glove under the hood of the 2090 diesel. The noise you hear is from the smoke generator's motor. The last noise you hear is me being called to some other task. Here are two short videos.
http://youtu.be/4FbMHfkbS9c

http://youtu.be/zSLxQzjBBM8
I am a live steam man myself but I do have to say that I really like this ? and have always thought that the exhaust provided by these generators are much more suitable for a diesel exhaust anyway. I quite fancy having a bash at this with one of the new Accucraft Baguley's ? together perhaps with a soundcard. I think that this would make a very impressive model.
 
Anyone got any hints or tips on installing one of these in an MTS-chipped loco?
Eg: what voltage the smoke unit actually needs, and can an LGB/Massoth decoder handle the power required without a relay being used?

Jon.
 
Zerogee said:
Anyone got any hints or tips on installing one of these in an MTS-chipped loco?
Eg: what voltage the smoke unit actually needs, and can an LGB/Massoth decoder handle the power required without a relay being used?
Jon.
I was wondering about installing one so I contacted an ebay supplier of these units.
The reply was that they run on 7.2V DC. The heater has a steady voltage and the motor has variable voltage to alter the pulse rate. I guess this explains the four wires, one pair for the heater and the other for the motor.
With that amount of smoke from a 7.2V supply I guess the current needed would be too much for a Massoth chip in the same way as the Massoth 5V high output smoke unit. I'm not into DCC but I'm sure I read somewhere that you need to use the high voltage Massoth high output units in conjunction with their decoders.
 
ROSS said:
Zerogee said:
Anyone got any hints or tips on installing one of these in an MTS-chipped loco?
Eg: what voltage the smoke unit actually needs, and can an LGB/Massoth decoder handle the power required without a relay being used?

Jon.
SEE post #1 above...send him a PM...he HAS done it.

As for Massoth handling. Mmm..have to suck it and see:rolf:
......

Late edit. Bought one.:thumbup:

Yes, but if you then read post 4, Dan put it in a battery-powered loco at a relatively low voltage - hence my questions were directed to anyone who had done it in DCC track-powered locos.
Fried decoders are an expensive way to "suck it and see", I was hoping someone could offer advice from personal experience.

Will look forward to hearing how you get on with yours, Ross!

Jon.
 
ROSS said:
Zerogee said:
Anyone got any hints or tips on installing one of these in an MTS-chipped loco?
Eg: what voltage the smoke unit actually needs, and can an LGB/Massoth decoder handle the power required without a relay being used?

Jon.
SEE post #1 above...send him a PM...he HAS done it.

As for Massoth handling. Mmm..have to suck it and see:rolf:
A picture I saw of it - shows only two wire connections to power whilst one advertiser mentioned to connect to the four wires power supply (I assumed he was referring to a 2 motor tank). I believe the proportional type is much quiter than the non propo type.

Think I may buy one just to experiment with. Cheap enough.

Late edit. Bought one.:thumbup:

Ross et all - I have run Heng long and other similar units in RC Tanks
for 15 years or so, the word quiet is 'relative' both units can be
very noisy and also very quiet,
i have one unit you can hardly hear and it smokes well.
They tend to last only a few hours or forever, or even not at all
out of the bag.
it's a bit pot luck, quality control is not one of their strong points.

The heater element runs on a max of 7.4v, tends to burn out fairly
quickly if any higher, and burn out especially quick if it runs out of fluid,
(which they can be very fussy about) but will produce good smoke from
2.5-3v up wards.

The pulse motor (pump) is wired seperate and creates the exhaust
effect on acceleration, starts at around 1.2v, i have one that plods
happily on asingle 1.2v 1000ma AA rechargable - in a small Kubel wagon
we built.

The down side is the amount of fluid they hold, can run out in 6-7mins
at a full chat in a RC Tank.

We did find that the units tend to last a lot longer in stationary
display units, as opposed to vehicles moving around that vibrates a lot.
So may last a lot longer in a relativly smooth running Loco.

We tended to expect on 'average' to get one good unit per pair bought and one
really exceptional unit in 5 bought, but you can get lucky.

All in all they are cheap and simple and for the price well worth a bash,
if you don't mind the noise - perfect for diesels though especially shunting.

Have a dozen or so in a box some where may have a go haveing read this
thread if i can find them.

One bit of advice - run a short lenght of tube off the end of the unit,
as they tend to dribble fluid quite a bit, thanks probably to the pump
so the short pipe tilted up wards runs the unused fluid back in to the unit
or out the exhaust and not all over the inside of your model, be it tank.loco
or building.
 
Regarding the price. I paid $19.95 including shipping. You can't buy an LGB smoke generator for that price. So my resoning was that the price was worth the experiment. "Not that it matters, but we don't even care wether or nor we even care."
 
Madman said:
Regarding the price. I paid $19.95 including shipping. You can't buy an LGB smoke generator for that price. So my resoning was that the price was worth the experiment. "Not that it matters, but we don't even care wether or nor we even care."

What he said -some times it's toooo much effort to care if we care
& in this heat i am not even thinking of going in to the loft, to dig out
my RC gear storage box's, but will when the weather cools off.

Talking to a couple of mates who still dabble in the RC gaming arena
they recon that Heng Long kit has gotten a lot better over the last 3-4
years, and one chap has a smoke unit thats 3 years old in a rubber tyred
1/14 scale truck that has had over 250hours, use some times as much as
1.5hours at a time (he keeps a log of these things).:bigsmile:

So looks well worth a dabble especially as they are paying around £10+p&p
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Heng-Long...sGames_RadioControlled_JN&hash=item3a73abd11f
and another
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Heng-Long...sGames_RadioControlled_JN&hash=item43afb885fc
No connection etc with either, just mates have used them and been happy with results

The guys recon very little difference, noise/quality between the 2 dif units
prop/non proportional these days and the fluid storage is a little larger.:thumbup:
 
And mine.... will watch for your report Ross :bigsmile:
Measurements (I haven't read every response but just in case no-one else has provided this info).....
35mm H by 61mm L x 48mm W

Rob
p.s. Thanks Madman for the 'heads up'
 
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