LGB 4 wheel motor block

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Probably a really easy question gents but I'm asking it to potentially save meself some work.
Is the Schoema motor block the same as the one fitted to an ICE train? I'm looking to give my ICE some more go without spending too much in one go and I have a Schoema I can raid for now.
Cheers Colin
 
I believe it is the same. Just as long as it is the type with the removable bottom cover for the gearbox and not a clamshell design. It's very simple to remove it from the diesel in order to check it out.
 
Hi Colin,

I think I used a motor block from a schoma in my Ice train so there is a precident. :)

Mark.
 
55.5 said:
Wow! there's now 3 of us LCE freaks on the forum!
2 motors, 2 decoders, running bliss!!
I have an XLS in each end - sound is bril
 
Does your Schoema motor block have a "D" embossed into the plastic at one end of the bottom cover plate? If not, then you will need to do the usual 3-wire to 4-wire conversion before you can fit a DCC decoder. Of course, as Dan said, if it doesn't have a cover plate at all then it's an old split "clamshell" type and would probably be a lot more hassle to fit into the ICE!

Jon.
 
I have the Amtrak version, that I converted to overhead power some years ago. Someday my son will build the high speed network he's been talking of, so that we can run it.
 
muns said:
I have an XLS in each end - sound is bril
Mark,

Is this the ICE III by any chance?
If so, any 'hints and wrinkles' about fitting a second motor block and a single XLS please?

Phil Partridge.
 
Personally I would have thought that having an XLS in both ends is a bit of an overkill in terms of available power and cost! The idea that sound is needed at both ends is a good one. If you want to go with Massoth what is wrong with an LS at both ends?

My LCE is fitted with a OO/HO decoders at each end, and Dietz sound. Works out at about £100.00 per end. I've also wired the track pickups through from one end to the other, using Tamyia power plugs between carriages. Also I've got all wheel pickup, but that probably is overkill.
 
Ah, but Mark can probably 'borrow' stock for 'long term testing'.. ;) ;) ;D

The LGB upgrade kit is fine if you are analogue.. Comprises a motor block, and two sets of bulbs (with holder) to slot into the 'front' of each unit.. These are wired to the push-fit crimps you get with Massoth decoders to fit the pins on the motor-block(s). - The original motor-block on the (new) ICE III I have hear has ferrite slugs wired between pickup and motor connections (remember this is originally analogue).
The bogie/carrier is a little 'springy', and a good thump and the piece holding the motor-block in place falls out.. I will have to have a look at that later! >:(

On this (as new) unit the bogie moulding was, what I consider, the wrong way round. - Wires at the back, not adjacent to the cut-out in the chassis. The instruction leaflet suggests having all wiring under the chassis, and the bulb/holder pushed up the hole just to the rear of the clip it fits in. However, by removing the four small screws in the rear body section, you can push all the excess wire up through the slot in the chassis above the motor connections. There is a small recess to allow the lighting wires to pass through from the main part of the body. - Necessary if you are (like me) fitting a decoder and will need a wiring harness between the cars.
It will be necessary to drill holes in the cylindrical 'towers' on the cars to allow the wiring to pass from car to car. - I just need to source a (keyed) 6-way (8 if I decide to fit a speaker at both ends) connector.. This will need to be 'Client-proof' as this loco is not for my own consumption! :o :D

The Massoth decoder 'kit' I have been supplied with is not complete. The bag with the wires/screws has been cut open, and there is just that, paperwork, and an XLS (no speaker, which I thought the 'kits' tended to come with??).
Still, being the 'drip under pressure' I am sure that will not be a problem! ;) ;D

If this was for my consumption, I would probably use some of the (many) 10-way connectors that I have spare from Massoth decoders. Mated with the single-inline pin-headers from Maplins.
For a Client; I may well go with DB9 (9-pin 'D' type connectors, a la computer serial ports of old). Simple, robust, keyed, and I have them kicking about. - Sold! to the man musing online!
8) ;D

Now, two speakers.. parallel or serial?
Anyone know how kindly (or not) an XLS will take to a 4 ohm load? - Two 8 ohm speakers in parallel.
 
PhilP said:
Mark,

Is this the ICE III by any chance?
If so, any 'hints and wrinkles' about fitting a second motor block and a single XLS please?

Phil Partridge.

Its the ICE 1 but the principle will be the same with the ICE III.


You will need to run the 4 motor block wires from the "remote" end to the decoder, and 3 more wires for the lights.
 
Cliff George said:
Personally I would have thought that having an XLS in both ends is a bit of an overkill in terms of available power and cost! The idea that sound is needed at both ends is a good one. If you want to go with Massoth what is wrong with an LS at both ends?

My LCE is fitted with a OO/HO decoders at each end, and Dietz sound. Works out at about £100.00 per end. I've also wired the track pickups through from one end to the other, using Tamyia power plugs between carriages. Also I've got all wheel pickup, but that probably is overkill.

Cliff,

You are right, it is overkill. I ruled the LS out as the ICE sounds are not available. I may swap one of them out one day for a S unit.
 
PhilP said:
Anyone know how kindly (or not) an XLS will take to a 4 ohm load? - Two 8 ohm speakers in parallel.

I don't know (you could ask on the Massoth forum), but it is possible to get 16ohm speakers. Some of the older ESU LocSound ones were 16 ohms, CPC current have a 50mm, 16Ohm Vistaton in stock. They are not as easy to find as 8Ohm speakers.
 
Cliff George said:
I don't know (you could ask on the Massoth forum), but it is possible to get 16ohm speakers. Some of the older ESU LocSound ones were 16 ohms, CPC current have a 50mm, 16Ohm Vistaton in stock. They are not as easy to find as 8Ohm speakers.

or wire the 2 8ohms in series to give 16 ohms
 
Am thinking the two in parallel.. Was just a little unsure how much it would 'cook' the decoder?..
It will help tame the volume a little.

Thanks for the input Mark..
Thinking of decoder in centre car, a speaker at each end. That would give 4 wires for the motor block, 2 for the light, and 2 for the speaker. - Hence thoughts of using DB9 'D' type connectors. Push-fit without locking screws should suffice, and they will be heavy enough not to rattle about to much. Might fit a Velcro 'sticky' to make sure though.
 
55.5 said:
Wow! there's now 3 of us LCE freaks on the forum!
2 motors, 2 decoders, running bliss!!

Make that 4 , from early on I really liked the LCE trains , I even came up with a real 24 volt power supply , and operated Express trains ;)

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They were also my rain trains , ran just fine in the rain .
 
Just thinking out Loud here. Would it not be possible to use 2 Speakers in the unit. One at each end. Not sure what values they would need to be or what the Massoth Decoders can handle. But I am sure that some expert would tell you.

I had one of the older LCE's some years back. I converted it to Battery Power as my line was not then juiced up. Worked a treat on a RC Racing Car 7.2 Battery. And with only 1 Motor Block too. But was only a 3 car. Sold it on but can't be sure where. Think that it may have been at a Garden meet it Rushden or Wellingborough some 7 or 8 years ago. Wished that I had kept it now as I have seen some super Modern Tram Conversions from them.
JonD
 
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