LGB Saxon IIK....?

Zerogee

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I've noticed in the last few days that several dealers on ebay.de have been offering the Saxon IIK (the "double-ender" version of the IK) as now available for immediate purchase.... anybody here planning to get one?

I'm not - I know it is a real prototype, but for some reason it just looks weird to me and doesn't "grab" me - not enough to spend that kind of cash on one, anyway; still, I'm sure several will find homes on various lines, and at least it can't have cost LGB/Marklin much in new parts development!

Jon.
 
I've seen photos on G-scale News... it's interesting that the green Ik and the black DR one have different roof outlines (and the black one also has the correct cylinder valve chest cover orientation), and the IIk has another different roof - interesting use of mould design.
 
jameshilton said:
..........and the black one also has the correct cylinder valve chest cover orientation...........
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Yes - interesting to note that the stock catalogue piccies of the black 1K still show them the wrong way round, as on the green version, but photos of the actual model show that they have taken notice and turned them round on the production batch.... maybe the word got down to the factory too late to change the green batch, but in time for the black ones!

Jon.
 
Compared to the green I K, the II K has a different cab + roof and boiler.
Compared to the black I K, the II K only has a different + roof, the boiler is identical.
Compared to the green I K, the black I K has a different roof and boiler.

I think this list pretty much sums up the differences :)
 
Zerogee said:
Yes - interesting to note that the stock catalogue piccies of the black 1K still show them the wrong way round, as on the green version, but photos of the actual model show that they have taken notice and turned them round on the production batch.... maybe the word got down to the factory too late to change the green batch, but in time for the black ones!
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They had enough time to fix the green one. The cylinder cover was already placed wrong on the prototype model in 2011. Many people complained about it, but obviously LGB didn't care...
 
Deutsche Reichsbahn said:
Zerogee said:
Yes - interesting to note that the stock catalogue piccies of the black 1K still show them the wrong way round, as on the green version, but photos of the actual model show that they have taken notice and turned them round on the production batch.... maybe the word got down to the factory too late to change the green batch, but in time for the black ones!
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They had enough time to fix the green one. The cylinder cover was already placed wrong on the prototype model in 2011. Many people complained about it, but obviously LGB didn't care...
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Are these built in China or Europe? If Chinese, knowing a little of how these things work, it could well be that the request to change them round on the green batch simply got lost somewhere along the line....? If they are assembled in Europe, then there is much less excuse!

Not that it would worry me at all, though I can see it giving some of the more fanatical rivet-counters something to whine about! ;)

Jon.
 
It may be that the LGB model, which is of IK no. 54, reflects the fact that it was built Tornado-style in the last few years, and therefore may differ somewhat from the original batch. I will try and track down some closeups of that first batch.

One point to note is that the LGB IK weighs only 148 grammes, which is somewhat less than a Stainz. I bought mine from Grootspoor who put an in extra 500gm of lead (probably illegal to do that in the UK...) for a smallish sum but it's been to wet recently to try it out on any substantial trains (eg > 16 axles).

Graham H
 
Chalk Garden Rail had a green one for sale at last Sunday's Sussex G scale meet..can't remember the price. The valve gear does look a bit plasticky...ok on a starter Stainz, but not on a premium loco. It does look a bit strange, a pushme-pullyou loco.

They also had the new Piko TEE 3 car unit at 505, strange as the importer, Gaugemaster, didn't have one on display the day before.

But I'm sure they'll be appearing on 'Santa's lists'!

Malcolm
 
There's a review of this model in the December edition of Continental Modeller....
 
Have read a few internet bits regarding the IIKs, it would appear that the original had rigid frames. Whether or not the power units articulated (fairlie style) I cannot find out. May be 'rigid' got confused in translation - not sure.
I love my IK and have to say it pulls well despite the low weight. 4 four wheelers and a bogie coach was no problem on my reasonably level track. Having said that - adding a bit of additional weight is likely.
As for buying the IIK - looks unlikely. Too much like a back to back IK, which of course it was.
 
It would appear the regulators may have been linked at some point in a weak attempt to get around the crews objection to driving two locos for the usual money paid to drive one.
 
I agree, one other problem would be that the regulators would move in opposite directions as the locos are back to back.
That said - I have read this detail somewhere. Thinking cap on.
 
Wasn't there I saw it. - have not seen a CM for a while now. Maybe this is one of those urban myths. Someone made a remark and everyone jumps on the bandwagon - so to speak.
 
stockers said:
Wiki state that the regulators were connected.
http://translate.google.co.uk/trans...X&ei=oVGtUJr1BaKe0QWvm4HIBQ&ved=0CGMQ7gEwCTgK
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Yes, but from the same German Wikipedia source, "Die Lokomotiven erhielten einen gemeinsamen Regler, die Steuerungen blieben allerdings getrennt", which suggests you could have the reverser/ cutoff levers in opposition to each other when the regulator was opened. Perhaps not one of Germany's finest locomotive concepts.....
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sächsi...24 at which time it was removed from service.
 
oberinntalbahn said:
It will be interesting to see how LGB model the controls :bigsmile:
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They probably asked Massoth!:confused::rolf:
 
I'd made the mistake of thinking that this was a double Fairlie style loco too. Alas no, hence it's not for me, but I see that Grootspoor are listing it on their website at 929 Euros.
 
Just received an e-mail from Glendale

NEW ARRIVALS

LGB 20990 - Saxon Class II K Steam Locomotive - Our Price £894.00


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LGB 24771 - Porter Steam Locomotive - Our Price £205.00

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It's a funny looking loco back to back and I'd only go for the single version to be honest. The Fairlie has it's controls together and the advantage of better riding due to it's bogies, the Saxon is simpler to build and has more room for the crew. I reckon the fireman would prefer a Fairlie too as he only has one fire to worry about ;)
I wonder if it would look good with a small tender? Two locos for your money.
 
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