Massoth revers loop Module

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Is there any way of checking a revers loop modual to see whats not working on it i have one on my track its been in a waterproof box in the garden but now its not working any pointers as to possably checking it would be apreciated.
 

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How is it set to detect?
Check the wiring from the track.
Check gaps in rails have not closed-up.

All you can really do, is check the connectors on the module have not corroded, then simulate operation. Either In-situ, or on the bench.

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How is it set to detect?
Check the wiring from the track.
Check gaps in rails have not closed-up.

All you can really do, is check the connectors on the module have not corroded, then simulate operation. Either In-situ, or on the bench.

PhilP
I think it was set to detect the loco shorting out, i have checked the contacts the all seem to be clean and i have tightened them up. when i run a loco onto the section it just stops. The wiring is the same as it was when it worked unless a rat has chewed anything.
 

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If your whole layout shuts down, then it isn't switching, and your CS is detecting a short..
If it stops, but the rest of the layout is still powered, then the module isn't switching, or does not have track power to switch..

Highly technical, but it might be a sticky relay?
Whack the unit a couple of times, with a screwdriver handle.

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If your whole layout shuts down, then it isn't switching, and your CS is detecting a short..
If it stops, but the rest of the layout is still powered, then the module isn't switching, or does not have track power to switch..

Highly technical, but it might be a sticky relay?
Whack the unit a couple of times, with a screwdriver handle.

PhilP
Hi thanks for the reply.
No the rest of the layout still works the loco just passes over the isolator section and just stops i will check for tack power to the unit tomorow and give the unit a smart wack ( can you get the modula apart if it is a sticking relay? )
 

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The unit should come apart, but if the contacts are welded one-way, you would need to replace the relay.

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Hi,
I had the same issue with my reversing loop about 12 months age.
Spent much time in a series of Q&A with Paul at PS hobbies, for things to try.
Long and short of it spent much time trying to diagnose the problem
In the end bought and fitted a new unit and everything work fine
Appreciate not much help but might save you time, but not money
Nigel
 

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Last year the local fox pack chewed through my wires, so check them first.

Then check to see if you have volts going in and out on the module (measure on Vac).

Then listen for the relay clicking when a train or loco is in the reversal section....
 

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Hi,
I had the same issue with my reversing loop about 12 months age.
Spent much time in a series of Q&A with Paul at PS hobbies, for things to try.
Long and short of it spent much time trying to diagnose the problem
In the end bought and fitted a new unit and everything work fine
Appreciate not much help but might save you time, but not money
Nigel
Yes thanks i have a spare module so i will swap it over tomorow i was just hoping to see if it was a basic fault or an external corosian problem, I sorted a few fiddely conections onto the track today but no success so a swap out is pending.
 

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Well... i put in my back up module but no success so i reverted to other jobs on the line today. I will order a new one as my backup could be faulty as i got it in a job lot of massoth stuff i purchesed a few years ago. so just wondering now where to get a new module from?
 

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Well... i put in my back up module but no success so i reverted to other jobs on the line today. I will order a new one as my backup could be faulty as i got it in a job lot of massoth stuff i purchesed a few years ago. so just wondering now where to get a new module from?
Kent Garden Railways, Garden Railway Specialists, PandS hobbies amongst some of the likely suspects.
 

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Well... i put in my back up module but no success so i reverted to other jobs on the line today. I will order a new one as my backup could be faulty as i got it in a job lot of massoth stuff i purchesed a few years ago. so just wondering now where to get a new module from?
Well I suppose both modules could be faulty?

But two giving the same result, I would be giving the wiring a hard stare, and checking for voltage and continuity.

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Well I suppose both modules could be faulty?

But two giving the same result, I would be giving the wiring a hard stare, and checking for voltage and continuity.

PhilP
Good call, when I installed one for Humplet I colour coded and documented all wire runs using 2-3 mm lengths of insulation in suitable different coded lumps. Shoved over a smaller wire you can use red,black green to get quite enough variations.