Need help with best track to buy

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Hello, I’m going to be transforming my garden into a model railway, I’ve been told LGB is the best product to buy for a model railway, I’ve got someone who is selling LGB track, he says he has also been using arist craft track with it and piko and it’s been fine for him,I’m looking to get track that can stay outside for years at a time, any advice on if I should just buy LGB from him or everything would be really appreciated thank you
 
I can't speak for Aristocraft track but LGB and PIKO are both compatible brass track with UV resistant plastic sleepers and will survive outside for many many years. Are you planning to run trains on track power (DC or DCC) or battery? If you run on track power brass track will need cleaning regularly to maintain electrical conductivity. More expensive but as you are starting you may consider stainless steel track which removes the track cleaning burden. Greg Elmassian Greg Elmassian may chip in here. If you are running battery it doesn't matter.
 
Yes.
lgb track is of the highest quality. Robust. Withstands weather, especially the crossties(sleepers). These are where, imho, lgb is worth the cost.
however…..

1 check new prices compared to the sellers. Often, especially now, used track may not be much of a saving over new. (At least on ebay, retail shops) Especially with points. Otoh, track is heavy in quantity, and shipping can be monstrously expensive.
if you can , try to buy about what need for your track plan. Otoh, spares are great, depending upon price…

2 generally speaking, you will want, at the very very least, r2 (5ft diameter)or r3 (8ft diameter). R1 should be cheap as chips….fine to start a small toyish set up, abundant on the market, and, guaranteed to be found a limited utility as your hobby grows, ie, it ends up in a box.
simple ‘truth’ wider curves will look better and run better. 10ft or greater diameter, if you can. I run r3, and i have no issues, even with longer cars, locos and trains. If you run short rolling stock and short trains, you can get by with tighter curves. This too is another thread topic.

3 track does wear. The inside edge of the rail will become rounded, to varying degrees. It may or may not effect utility, but, if worn, when mating with new or less worn track, it can present a sharp transitional inside edge at the joiner. It can be a problem, as flanges can/will catch. Look too for divots…from stalled spinning locos, generally not a big deal.

most critically, check for broken rail attachment tabs (ie spike or rail chairs). When these break, for the most part, depending upon the number broken, there may be more severe running impact, ie the rails are not secured to the ties. On points, imho, this is a big deal.

while nothing is insurmountable, the brain damage my not be worth the savings.

also, look at the rail top surface. It should be smooth. If it was regularly cleaned with a course grit material, it may have tiny but deep scratches that collect dirt.

4 rail joiners can wear out and be so fatigued (if subjected to many repeat joinings) that the may break. They can be replaced. Rail clamps are the ticket, but thats another topic entirely.

imho, apart from the high rail, as opposed to scale heights, lgb is good. It weathers to a nice color. Arist stays bright yellow, different alloy. No experience with piko track.

Track is not the place to skimp. As in horses, no foot, no horse. If your track is poor, you wont enjoy running trains very much.
points especially, are inherently a potential derail issue. Worn, ill fitting or electrically compromised points are a pita, period.

This is not to say dont buy used, but, get value for what you spend. Inspect, know current pricing.

imho, btw, provided you get a track plan and simply assemble it, (as opposed to repeatedly taking things apart and reconfiguring) new track, and points, have value as they fit tightly and will align well. For a time, they will give great conductivity. Worn, grotty, loose fitting joiners will not give the same conductivity. Joiners, btw, can be crimped to again fit tightly. They can be carefully cleaned and deoxidized on the rail contact surfaces. Dirty rail can be polished. (Get a red plastic lgb track cleaning block, regardless of new or used track, btw). However, doing this stuff takes care and time. Thus, inspect and buy wisely.

buying track parts, like replacement switch motors, joiners, sleepers, is expensive now, and can negate any savings quickly.

best of luck.
 
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I have used LGB, Piko and Aristocraft, and they are compatible and comparable in rail profile, however their geometries are different an LGB R3 is similar to a Piko R5, and Aristocraft does theirs by radii, but they will all work together. As mentioned above beware of second hand prices, some are almost as much as new!!!!

Oh, welcome to the forum :)
 
I have used LGB track and tried some Aristocraft points. My 0-4-0 tank engines did not like the latter.

You will find plenty of discussion on the place, if there is one, for R1 points. I use them because they fit the limited space I have available and for a harbour/ rural railway with short locos and rolling stock work fine.

One sound piece of advice is to get some track down asap (sh R1 curves being cheap would be ideal for this) so you can have a small layout to play (oops!) test out track and locos etc.
 
All the stuff I currently have is Thomas and toby G scale, so they will be running of the electric
 

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This is all the track the guy is selling, he is offering all the track here in the photos for £175, feel like it’s a really good deal but wanted to go over it
 

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I have tried Aristocraft's equivalent of LGB's R1 point with LGB track but found that my 0-4-0 locos were not happy with the Aristocraft point whereas they were OK with LGB R1s.

You may like to consider laying out a simple track asap so that you can play (oops!) test out ideas and locos and rolling stock while you are thinking about what you want finally to achieve.
 
What is everyones opinion on the photos of the track I showed?
It looks good, however how much track is there, and how many points. Based around £3.00 per foot, and £25.00 for R1 and £45.00 for R3, you can work out how good this is. These are ball park figures, but if it is equal to or less than this then I would think it is a bargain.
 
I agree with all the postings already made and i would like to say that in my humble opinion you cannot go wrong with LGB track. I have had some of my plain track for 54 years, points(turnouts) do wear out, but i have managed to get 15 to 20 years out of some of them. My track is used very extensively every weekend throughout the year. I cannot comment on other makes of track as I have no experience of them.
 
It looks good, however how much track is there, and how many points. Based around £3.00 per foot, and £25.00 for R1 and £45.00 for R3, you can work out how good this is. These are ball park figures, but if it is equal to or less than this then I would think it is a bargain.
The guy said he is charging £4 per foot, and he has 44 foot of track he is selling to me for £175 then £25 for the postage, he has discounted it from £5 per foot that would be £220, do you think thats a good deal?
 
£4 per foot is about right fir s/h track..
If that figure includes points (turnouts), then you are winning.

You will have to clean up the ends, and invest in rail clamps to join things together.
Aristocraft use a different system. - Fishplates with small screws.
Though you can replace these with rail clamps.

PhilP
 
I’m more looking for a bargain if anything
I would go for it looks a good bundle to me, I think you may find there is more than he thinks so when you count it all up (after buying) you will see the difference between new and second hand cost wise which is eye watering these days. But are you getting the lot or part of it?

As for track wearing out, this is quite rare and tends to be on shop or Restraunt or professional displays that run for 8 hours or thereabouts a day. There look to be quite a few R1 points, these could be sold on to get higher rad but will do you to start out. Another thing, you may find that the fishplates are well tarnished causing loss of power connectivity, this can be resolved by gently squeezing in the open part before joking together then when pushing together some scoring of rail will help regain power connectivity. This issue would raise its head after a year or three outside with new track. Though a better bet woul be to remove fishplates to fit Joining Clamps, sundry firms don’t them but I prefer Massoth ones.

Aristo track will work fine with LGB, just check that the rail height is the same.

Peco can be used with LGB, but you need the PECO LGB/Peco adapter fishplates where the different types join.

In the meantime, get that bundle and just play around with it for a while to get used to things before you embark on that 1st great project. LGB and other tracks will be quite happy temporarily on a fairly flay lawn or patio area. This will give you a feel for things and see how things go.
 
Good advice from Jimmy & Jon. To clean the joiners, a dunking in Cola will do wonders, and get into all the nooks and crannies. Mind you, make sure you clean the Cola off properly otherwise it stay sticky
 
Good advice from Jimmy & Jon. To clean the joiners, a dunking in Cola will do wonders, and get into all the nooks and crannies. Mind you, make sure you clean the Cola off properly otherwise it stay sticky
Certainly even more undrinkable after being used to clean track.
 
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