thank you all for the kind words, i got out of 00 not only because i was fed up with the rivet counters ( you cant run that with that, thats got the wrong number on it for this line) but the buildings being produced, hornby, bachmann etc were infact much better than i could bodge, same with engines, coaches etc. so i found G scale, wow blown away, i can bodge again and i am really enjoying doing it, and looking on this forum for other like minded bodgers, who also dont take life that serious.