Opening up the Dingler....

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Some of you may recall my threads a few months back on the Korean-made brass and steel Wurttemburg T3 0-6-0 made for the German firm of Dingler (which caused great if somewhat juvenile amusement over the name... ;) ).

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Well, today I grasped my courage in one hand and my Dingler in the other (fnarr.....) - don't ask me what I was holding the screwdriver with - and decided to open this gorgeous little loco up to see what was inside, with a view to sound-chipping it.
After removing some of the smallest crosshead machine screws I've ever seen, the removal of the body was actually a lot simpler than I feared - and this is what I found inside....

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All the wiring is incredibly fine, even by LGB standards, and to someone used to looking inside LGB locos the drivetrain is very different.... the motor (a Buhler, same as LGB) mounted on a flexible sprung-loaded bracket, with a universal joint to an enclosed gearbox that seems to drive the centre axle only, the outer axles being driven purely by the motion cranks.

I'm assuming that the shrink-wrapped electronics package to the left of the motor is simply a voltage stabiliser, it appears to only be connected to the lighting circuits (which are not directional - the lights at both ends come on under analogue power).
It looks as though the actual decoder install will be reasonably straightforward, the only problem being where to physically put it; almost all the space inside the loco is taken up with the mechanism and a selection of lead weights (so that's why the thing is so bl**dy heavy!). I think I will probably have to resort to putting it in the cab, either on the floor or against the back wall, and disguise it as best I can with a couple of crew figures. Some amperage draw tests on analogue confirmed what I'd hoped, that it draws very little current - as would be expected from a Buhler motor - so a Massoth LS should be ample rather than needing the bigger XLS.

That just leaves the speaker - apart from in the cab with the decoder (which I really don't want to do) the only place for that is inside one of the side tanks. There isn't a lot of room, but a Massoth 40mm square-mount type will just fit. I won't know what sort of sound I'll get till it's done, I guess - any suggestions about how I should mount it, speaker pointing inwards toward the boiler or out against the flat metal of the tank? Or do you think it should be in the cab after all, and disguised as best I can?

Jon.
 
wow, thats a tidy thing, how about in the side tanks?
 
As there doesn't seem to be a sound file specifically for this loco, at least not in the Massoth listing (I'm going to be putting a Massoth LS in it), can anyone suggest the best alternative sound file for me to use in this?

Jon.
 
Thanks for the ideas, Paul - I'd discounted the U class because it doesn't have a bell (or at least, the sound sample on Massoth's site doesn't feature one) but the Frank S is a very good idea - sounds very nice, a good bell sound, the whistle is a bit deep and mournful but it's definitely a possibility!
I'd considered the Harz 2-6-2 (6001), nice bell and whistle but maybe sounds just a bit deep and powerful on the chuff; I'm actually also quite keen on the good old Stainz sound file, but maybe that sounds like too light a loco?
Any other suggestions welcome! :bigsmile:

Jon.
 
The first 30-odd seconds of this video (which is well worth watching in its entirety, by the way) show a Dingler Ts3 running:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3KzjHsxRTk&list=UUukTNdNmMCQiqcIv8TUGbbA&index=26&feature=plcp < Link To http://www.youtube.com/wa...ex=26&feature=plcp
This is presumably with the "proper" sound file as installed in the factory-chipped ones, which I believe had an ESU decoder in them; those of you who followed my original thread when I got the loco may recall that it's a bit of "grey import" job, being a factory-surplus item that was assembled without a decoder or speaker. I must say, listening to the above clip again, the low and mournful whistle does sound quite like the Frank S after all - so maybe you've hit on the right one, Paul!

Jon.
 
Jon, I recommend something with a bell that dingles.....:bigsmile: ;)
 
THE FACTORY FITTED SOUND UNITS WERE FITTED WITH TWIN SPEAKERS ONE IN EACH SIDE TANK THEY ARE SMALL ABOUT 25MM DIA MINE HAS HAD THE ORIGINAL ESU SOUND UNIT REMOVED AND REPLACED WITH A MOSSOTH UNIVERSAL SOUND UNIT THIS HAS BEEN MOUNTED IN THE CAB BUT STILL NEEDS TO BE DISGUISED BY CREW FIGURES
 
meiningen8 said:
THE FACTORY FITTED SOUND UNITS WERE FITTED WITH TWIN SPEAKERS ONE IN EACH SIDE TANK THEY ARE SMALL ABOUT 25MM DIA MINE HAS HAD THE ORIGINAL ESU SOUND UNIT REMOVED AND REPLACED WITH A MOSSOTH UNIVERSAL SOUND UNIT THIS HAS BEEN MOUNTED IN THE CAB BUT STILL NEEDS TO BE DISGUISED BY CREW FIGURES

Thanks - so does yours still use the original twin speakers, or was a new speaker installed when the Massoth decoder was fitted?

Jon.
 
Well, tonight I decided to get on with the job at last! Mark (GRO) kindly provided me with an LS decoder during the week, all programmed up with the sound file from a Frank S (after a lot of listening to Massoth samples I plumped for that one, deep mournful whistle, nice clangy bell (OK Mike, a Dingly one...) and a good purposeful chuff) - so I plunged in.... As I mentioned in an earlier post, the wires in the loco are incredibly fine - compare them with the Massoth wires in the pics, which aren't exactly heavy-gauge themselves - but it was a pretty simple job to desolder everything from the motor terminals, fit the yellow and green decoder feeds then connect the white and brown leads to the two thin red track pickup wires.

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Then it was time to track-test the rolling chassis, with both the decoder and a speaker temporarily stuck down with some double-sided tape (don't worry, that's NOT where the speaker is going to go!!). Result: runs great, sounds good even with the speaker out in the open! The lights are still to be connected (must remember to set the decoder light output down to 5volts first....) but that will be a simple job before refitting the body. I've decided that the speaker is going under the cab roof, fixed and sealed with a simple ring of white-tack - it won't be pretty, but it will work and saves a lot of hassle trying to get a smaller speaker into one of the side tanks - once a couple of crew figures are in the cab I'm hoping that both the speaker and the decoder itself with be fairly unobtrusive from normal viewing angles.
More to come as the job progresses....

Jon.
 
Will you have your Dinger ready for the Open Day today Jon.... :nail:
 
Gizzy said:
Will you have your Dinger ready for the Open Day today Jon.... :nail:

Well, she's now reassembled and running, sounding lovely - bit of an embarrassing problem with the lights, I remembered to set the decoder lighting voltage down to 5v, and I think I've STILL managed to blow the bulbs.... :@ God only knows what little bulbs them Koreans put in it, in hindsight I suspect they must be something more like 1-2 volts and even the 5 volts was too much for 'em! Still, it's a bright and sunny day so far, doubt we'll need the lights ;) - so I'll bring here along!

Jon.
 
That would look good with a pulsed smoke unit.. :bigsmile:
 
Phil said:
That would look good with a pulsed smoke unit.. :bigsmile:

It would if there was any bl**dy room to put one, Phil!:@ :rolf:

The whole of the boiler and smokebox is filled with weights, I even had trouble getting the wiring for the chip to sit alongside the motor/gearbox assembly because space is so tight - that's why most of the wiring (and the chip itself of course) is still in the cab!
This thing is HEAVY - I haven't actually put her on the scales, but I reckon she's not far off the weight of my LGB 2-10-2....
I don't know if that amount of weight is really necessary - but it certainly runs well.

Jon.
 
Pulsed smoke does ad to the effect.. Especially in a 2-10-2 :love:
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Like I said, Phil, I would if I could! ;)

But unless you or anyone else knows of a pulsed smoke unit small enough to fit inside a smokestack, it's a no-go for this one... there just ain't anywhere else to put it!

Jon.
 
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