RhB TAS

If you have space to keep the box, then do so....
Ok thanks I can probably make some space somewhere in the train room. Now I have a couple of dumb RhB questions if you don't mind.
1 What are the silver dome/bell/gong with a insulator on top on silver pipes , I have seen on a few station platforms ?
2 What is the size of the I beams used as posts to hold up the over head, width /depth , height i can guess from photos
3 I have tried to read the allocation chart and it looks like there is a freight service to langwies and st peters , but it doesn't list arosa . Do you think or know does it just go from chur to those 2 stations and return to chur?
4 At the concrete plant just out of arosa i have seen gravel in hoppers and cement wagons , what is sand carried in ?
any help with the above would be much appreciated Gizzy

regards stewie
 
If you ever sell it will be so much easier to pack in original box for posting. That of course then brings the issue of where to store them, if the shed is goon and dry a slightly out of the way but accessible place is a good spot to keep all them boxes that you will have.
Thanks i will make some room, just been reading through your build thread , great stuff thanks for posting.
 
Ok thanks I can probably make some space somewhere in the train room. Now I have a couple of dumb RhB questions if you don't mind.
1 What are the silver dome/bell/gong with a insulator on top on silver pipes , I have seen on a few station platforms ?
These are belks used for train departure.
2 What is the size of the I beams used as posts to hold up the over head, width /depth , height i can guess from photos
Tricky question, probably ft to eighteen inches.
3 I have tried to read the allocation chart and it looks like there is a freight service to langwies and st peters , but it doesn't list arosa . Do you think or know does it just go from chur to those 2 stations and return to chur?
Freight these days is much different to how it was some years back. I think Arosa will be mostly served by mixed trains (freight wagons added to passenger trains), it certainly was years ago.
4 At the concrete plant just out of arosa i have seen gravel in hoppers and cement wagons , what is sand carried in ?
any help with the above would be much appreciated Gizzy

regards stewie
Hm good question, I wonder if this is supplied by road at that location?
 
These are belks used for train departure.

Tricky question, probably ft to eighteen inches.

Freight these days is much different to how it was some years back. I think Arosa will be mostly served by mixed trains (freight wagons added to passenger trains), it certainly was years ago.

Hm good question, I wonder if this is supplied by road at that location?
Thanks Jon, i think a lot of freight is tacked on the rear of passenger trains, but there is a freight train chur to langwies/ stpeters listed in freight timetable. I have seen videos of a pair ge 4/4 2's with log wagons only traveling back to chur. Was asking about the i beam , cause i was wondering if i could find some ally or steel profile in my travels. I would love to add the overhead later on , but lgb is just too pricey ,.
 
Thanks Jon, i think a lot of freight is tacked on the rear of passenger trains, but there is a freight train chur to langwies/ stpeters listed in freight timetable. I have seen videos of a pair ge 4/4 2's with log wagons only traveling back to chur. Was asking about the i beam , cause i was wondering if i could find some ally or steel profile in my travels. I would love to add the overhead later on , but lgb is just too pricey ,.
I built overhead for the Ruschbahn, using steel rods around 10x12mm for the uprights with ridges turned towards top for span wires. Bottom of rod was die cut for nuts n washers where attached to wood base, rest just hammered into holes drilled in paving slab baseboards. Lots of soldering for droppers, cross wires etc plus small screw adjusters for detail. Wire tensioned by fencing adjusters, but I would really have used weight in tins as this would have kept tension correct much as the realmthing. Worked out pretty cheep compared to any other system.
 
I built overhead for the Ruschbahn, using steel rods around 10x12mm for the uprights with ridges turned towards top for span wires. Bottom of rod was die cut for nuts n washers where attached to wood base, rest just hammered into holes drilled in paving slab baseboards. Lots of soldering for droppers, cross wires etc plus small screw adjusters for detail. Wire tensioned by fencing adjusters, but I would really have used weight in tins as this would have kept tension correct much as the realmthing. Worked out pretty cheep compared to any other system.
Nice , thats what i was wondering which square rod or ally profile would look right .I will be using a concrete block base , so turn the base round and drop in a hole. If i learn the magic of 3d printing then a nice decorative base to slip over the rod and insulators over wire supports. I have seen the ruschbahn on youtube , but the detail is hard to see.
 
Ok thanks I can probably make some space somewhere in the train room. Now I have a couple of dumb RhB questions if you don't mind.
1 What are the silver dome/bell/gong with a insulator on top on silver pipes , I have seen on a few station platforms ?
2 What is the size of the I beams used as posts to hold up the over head, width /depth , height i can guess from photos
3 I have tried to read the allocation chart and it looks like there is a freight service to langwies and st peters , but it doesn't list arosa . Do you think or know does it just go from chur to those 2 stations and return to chur?
4 At the concrete plant just out of arosa i have seen gravel in hoppers and cement wagons , what is sand carried in ?
any help with the above would be much appreciated Gizzy

regards stewie
1. These gongs announce train arrivals on platforms.

I believe the ones at Filisur are still used.

2. I don't know the answer to this one.

3. Timber is collected from St Peter's and possibly Langwies too. Usually hauled by Ge 4/4 II locos in pairs.

4. There is a quarry just before Arosa where the hoppers go to. These are often on the rear of passenger trains....
 
1. These gongs announce train arrivals on platforms.

I believe the ones at Filisur are still used.

2. I don't know the answer to this one.

3. Timber is collected from St Peter's and possibly Langwies too. Usually hauled by Ge 4/4 II locos in pairs.

4. There is a quarry just before Arosa where the hoppers go to. These are often on the rear of passenger trains....
Thanks gizzy, i have seen loaded hoppers of gravel from chur heading to arosa , and empty hoppers leaving the cement plant on the siding just before arosa. Pretty sure its a cement plant as google earth shows cement trucks in the yard other side of the track , and in one video i watched there was a cement truck under the tower as the train passed , didnt know there was a quarry too. I have seen on the end of various passenger trains, a coop container, a calandra haik, gravel hoppers, empty stake wagons, cement wagon , garbage skips and fuel tankers , but was a older video not sure they do it now , but looks like the fuel unloading point is still there. Timber is collected at Langwies and St Peters, also Arosa. Interestly if you look at google earth now arosa street view has recently been updated and you can see a tractor loading logs near the gantry crane in the yard.
 
Nice , thats what i was wondering which square rod or ally profile would look right .I will be using a concrete block base , so turn the base round and drop in a hole. If i learn the magic of 3d printing then a nice decorative base to slip over the rod and insulators over wire supports. I have seen the ruschbahn on youtube , but the detail is hard to see.
You should be better able to see in this link of pics. Mecanno type bolts were used as well.
 
You should be better able to see in this link of pics. Mecanno type bolts were used as well.
thanks that shows it really well. Looks great
 
Thanks gizzy, i have seen loaded hoppers of gravel from chur heading to arosa , and empty hoppers leaving the cement plant on the siding just before arosa. Pretty sure its a cement plant as google earth shows cement trucks in the yard other side of the track , and in one video i watched there was a cement truck under the tower as the train passed , didnt know there was a quarry too. I have seen on the end of various passenger trains, a coop container, a calandra haik, gravel hoppers, empty stake wagons, cement wagon , garbage skips and fuel tankers , but was a older video not sure they do it now , but looks like the fuel unloading point is still there. Timber is collected at Langwies and St Peters, also Arosa. Interestly if you look at google earth now arosa street view has recently been updated and you can see a tractor loading logs near the gantry crane in the yard.
I could be wrong?
I assumed it was a quarry from the hoppers. Didn't realise there was a cement plant there.

There is a aggregate terminal in Obervaz, on a long non electrified siding a few clicks from the station. Maybe the hoppers are loaded there for Arosa.

I see you are also on the RhB forum. Might be worth asking there....
 
I could be wrong?
I assumed it was a quarry from the hoppers. Didn't realise there was a cement plant there.

There is a aggregate terminal in Obervaz, on a long non electrified siding a few clicks from the station. Maybe the hoppers are loaded there for Arosa.

I see you are also on the RhB forum. Might be worth asking there....
good idea I will
 
Found the website of the overhead contractors that work for the RhB and they list the I beams from 160mm-260mm . So 7mm- 11.5mm . I haven't seen any ally I beam profiles for sale but 10mm square rod is available locally for $35 for 6m . Sprayed with cold gal should look ok and be strong and I can turn the bottom down to either thread or go in a round hole as needed. Will not look as good as a I beams but they will be a lot cheaper than LGB offerings.
 
Just out of devonport , is that west coast wilderness railway?

Yes, it's at Rinadenna, the current end-of-line for WCWR STEAM operations out of Queenstown. The last ~3km are on Abt rack working so it's quite an experience.

WCWR are still working on restoring public operation on the rack section beyond Rinadenna, through Dubbil Barril and on to Teepookana where the other WCWR diesel operation out from Regatta Point (Strahan) currently ends.
 
Hi all , unfortunately I have been unable to do much outside for the past 3 weeks . So in the meantime I have worked out and drawn up a track plan

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I hope it makes sense, apologies for my messy hand writing.

It is Chur to Arosa , with many changes and condensing of features, fitting 26 km of railway into 16m takes a couple of compromises :rofl:

There are 3 main connected areas, the raised garden bed with Arosa, St Peter/Molinis and Langwies on it.

A raised baseboard section with Chur Altstadt halt, the old Sand depot and a nice street run beside the plessur river under a awning.

Chur station and train storage inside the train room, probably will always be a non scenic area.

I realise this is a pretty ambitious undertaking to get to work well and look good. This will take me quite a few years to bring together, but that is a good thing .

I have tried many different plans in this space, I think this one ticks all the boxes for me for the following reasons.

There are 2 continuous loops around 30m long, so I can have 2 trains running in opposite directions. For when I just want to sit and relax with a nice brew and watch some trains run. Or if someone wants to come and run trains too.

There is the 7m long street run because I really like the look of trains running through the road traffic. Plus it gives me space to make and display quite a few model buildings, cars and trucks. I really like the look of the old sand depot which is used as a maintenance of way depot. Plenty of great modelling potential there. All in a pretty sheltered area so I should be able add a lot of detail.

The raised garden bed will be planted with many dwarf conifers and large rocks across the areas marked as scenic divide in the plan. To block your view from any station to another station and hopefully look like forests, mountains and valleys .Trains will not be visible for the whole lap . Space for a few tunnels , rockfall galleries and viaducts.

I can run it as a point to point railway.

There is space to extend Arosa station area to 6-7m long. I didn't include in the initial wall building as it is only between 0.7m - 1.1m wide ,so was unusable in my initial plan .Very useful now to make Arosa fit ok.

Removing the lift out section at B on the plan .There should be enough operating potential to keep me interested running in a reasonably prototypical way. Loops at the stations are 4m , so a reasonable enough train length. From Chur a train would be marshalled then leave the shed and stop at Chur Altstadt. Then continue up the street past sand depot over a viaduct through a tunnel then another viaduct to St peter/Molinis. Then around to Langwies and onto Langwies viaduct . Continuing on past the Arosa cement plant around through a tunnel to Arosa and vice versa on a return trip passing each other at one of the stations .

Prototype wise

Passenger trains run each way each hour ,Allegra's where freight wagons are attached as needed. There is a express that runs a few times a day (not sure how that fits in)There is a weekday freight train, single or double GE 4/4 ii that stops at Langwies and St peter/Molinis for log traffic , that also can go to Arosa when needed. I have seen pullman coaches on trains (they can be privately rented), open tourist wagons and baggage vans . Freight traffic wise I have seen stake wagons, fuel tankers ,coop and plain refrigerated containers, calanda, kuoni and plain sliding door vans ,cement wagons, garbage skips , plain skips and ore wagons going to Arosa .I have watched videos where Allegras were running around their train ,no control car (2014) at Arosa and chur , plus shunting at chur and Arosa , extra freight wagons removed and added at each end. Coaches are removed and added at both ends as needed through the day . Sand , gravel and cement shunted to the cement plant. There is a dedicated shunting loco at Arosa. I am sure there is probably a lot more I have never seen videos of .Anybody who has seen more traffic or knows more on how the line is operated please comment.

Any comments , questions or ideas feel to ask.
 
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Wow Stewie, that is brilliant mate, I can't even get pasted the second set of points in design, hopefully my track sections show up soon so I can get a move on.
Looking forward to seeing your progress !.
 
Thanks Alan , I have been planning a railway for many years, so I am keen to get into it. The part on the workshop wall cant be done till I make new doors , windows and put new cladding on the wall. So a bit to do there. The raised garden section thou can be hooked into and a continuous loop that is joined to the train shed finished . Just trying my hand at getting cuttings of dwarf conifers to work. I want a forest of them and I am not too keen on spending $15 -$25 per plant . Would rather put that cash into a nice shiny red loco :)
 
Just trying my hand at getting cuttings of dwarf conifers to work. I want a forest of them and I am not too keen on spending $15 -$25 per plant .
About 15 years or so ago we walked through a Forestry Commission woods. Growing in the tracks were lots of stunted trees obviously growing from drooped seeds rather than planted. We still have one growing in a pot in the garden.
 
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