smoke generators

He did indeed Mel - in the west country I think but I cant remember where. I am sure he will be along shortly. I'll PM him.
 
Thanks Paul.
 
Like the sound or smell or even sight of the Pulsed smoke generator as I was asking on another thread about the MTH Protosound system that also has pulsed smoke.

If the pulsed Massoth smoke generator is being used with an analogue steam loco (LGB or other makes like Bachmann), how would the chuff detector be wired if it is already feeding a sound board?
With a USA or Aristocraft diesel would it just be a case of hooking it up in place of the stock smoke generator.

Many thanks for any thoughts on this
 
If the pulsed Massoth smoke generator is being used with an analogue steam loco (LGB or other makes like Bachmann), how would the chuff detector be wired if it is already feeding a sound board?
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I have been trying to get chapter and verse on this, but no one seems to want to commit..... I imagine you just wire the SG in parallel with/to the chuff cam :nail:

Rob
 
ROSS said:
Was the Massoth pulsed unit a go or no go??
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It's a go if you wire it through a relay. Take it you are talking MTS
 
With regard the Massoth Pulsed unit, you should be able to connect the pulse sensor to the smoke unit and use the pulse output from the smoke unit to connect to your sound card.

Something like this...

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Would this be the same for an analogue sound card?
 
One of the responses I had from MyLargeScale....

Hi guys,

I've got quite a bit of experience with this smoke maker, it's a great unit. If you want to talk to them directly, though, I strongly recommend you call their US office, Klaus, directly as he has probably put one in this train. They make a 5V unit and 19V unit, depending on whether or not your decoder can handle the current (ie the 19v unit <current). The high performance unit you refer to is an improved wick design. The susi/bus interface is used if you want to have it load dependent (ie coast cuts off the smoke etc). As far as chuff timing goes, you can either simulate it with your decoder, or use a chuff input from a hall effect sensor. They came out with a nice hall effect sensor unit complete with axle and magnet wheel to use when retrofitting a locomotive that doesn't come with one from the factory. Look it up on their website (pulse generator) and read the manual so you see what I mean. In my case, since I'm running DCC, the hall effect sensor sends the chuff signal directly to the smoke maker, which has an output that goes to the decoder. The bus cable is also used so the decoder can tell it when to smoke (under load) or coast (when you back off the throttle). It's very cool to see/hear this in action. If you are running analog power, you would just need to retrofit the pulse generator, and have a source of power to the smoke generator--you wouldn't need to use the bus cable. It's all spelled out in the online manual though...I would start there.

Keith


I must be pretty thick as I can't seem to grasp how the various comments/instructions relate to non DCC installation and I thought there would be plenty of practical experience out there to draw on. Having said that Muns comment has helped clear my thinking (Cheers!)

Regards
Rob
 
Thanks for the info from the other forum Rob
Me being analogue (layout-wise anyway) am not quite sure if I have grasped the gist.
Well if I am correct and the loco is on analogue with a sound card/system then: the input from a chuff sensor goes to the (5V) Massoth pulsed generator and then goes on to the sound card so that pulsed smoke and sound can be heard.
BUT what if the loco is not using a chuff sensor and the sound card is just sensing the load/power draw to give an approximate chuff? Does the pulsed generator just replace the stock smoke unit and then also 'sense' the load/power draw and give an approximate belch which may or may not match the sound chuff?
What is the loco is a diesel? Does the pulsed smoke unit just replace the stock one and continuously belch smoke (better than stock) just matching smoke amount to the power supplied to the loco. In this sceanrio, where is it connected in tandem with a sound card?
These are the questions that have me a little confused. Perhaps contacting Massoth is the best idea!
 
Hi Mike, I suppose I didn't clarify things very well in my post MASSOTH Pulsed Smoke Generator[/h1] under General G Scale heading recently, certainly didn't solicit a single response...

I have converted my Bachmann Anniversary Edition Annie to Radio Control, played about with a cheap MP3 player to produce bells & whistles (literally) and otherwise have relied upon the bog standard Bachmann chuff sound card - this all seemed to be the sensible thing as I have one, eventually two return loops in my dog-bone layout. So I was hoping to use the Massoth unit to complete the picture (thinking it could be triggered from the sound card connections)

Regards
Rob
 
beavercreek said:
Thanks for the info from the other forum Rob
Me being analogue (layout-wise anyway) am not quite sure if I have grasped the gist.
Well if I am correct and the loco is on analogue with a sound card/system then: the input from a chuff sensor goes to the (5V) Massoth pulsed generator and then goes on to the sound card so that pulsed smoke and sound can be heard.
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Correct.

beavercreek said:
BUT what if the loco is not using a chuff sensor and the sound card is just sensing the load/power draw to give an approximate chuff? Does the pulsed generator just replace the stock smoke unit and then also 'sense' the load/power draw and give an approximate belch which may or may not match the sound chuff?
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The smoke unit is not able to "sense" the load/power draw, it would normally recieve this information form the decoder via the bus cable. I would expect the smoke output to be constant.

beavercreek said:
What is the loco is a diesel? Does the pulsed smoke unit just replace the stock one and continuously belch smoke (better than stock) just matching smoke amount to the power supplied to the loco. In this sceanrio, where is it connected in tandem with a sound card?
These are the questions that have me a little confused. Perhaps contacting Massoth is the best idea!
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The smoke unit will only alter its output based upon data provided over the bus (from a decoder) and thus without this or a "pulse" from a chuff sensor the output will be continious.

If you want to speak to Massoth, then Isuggest Klaus in the US or Peter Ting in Germany.
 
Thanks Mark
You are obviously a man with the knowledge:
If one was to use the pulsed smoker with an LGB sound box and the chuff sensor input was used on the sound box (reed switch and magnet on axle etc) could the 'chuff' be routed to the pulsed smoker?
 
beavercreek said:
Thanks Mark
You are obviously a man with the knowledge:
If one was to use the pulsed smoker with an LGB sound box and the chuff sensor input was used on the sound box (reed switch and magnet on axle etc) could the 'chuff' be routed to the pulsed smoker?
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Not sure Mike. I suppose it depends on how the sensor is being used by the current sound board.
 
Stainzmeister said:
stockers said:
He did indeed Mel - in the west country I think but I cant remember where. I am sure he will be along shortly. I'll PM him.
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:bigsmile:
Here is the link - 5/6 volt only though............
http://www.cornwallmodelboats.co.uk/acatalog/model_electronics.html
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Just to add, I ordered one of these on Sunday to replace a 5V in my Mikado. It arrived today.

Although sold by Graupner it's made by Seuthe (as I'd suspected from examining the product details) and is identical to the LGB 5V unit, except it doesn't have the metal connectors to push-fit to the LGB board or decoder. No problem, snip off the connectors from the old unit and a minute's work with soldering iron and some heat-shrink sleeve sorted that!

Works fine.

Saved myself a fair bit of dosh: an LGB 5V unit seems to be around £20, Massoth equivalent around £22, this one just over £14 inc. postage. And you get a syringe and small bottle of smoke fluid - do the LGB & Massoth units come with those extras?
 
Just to add, I ordered one of these on Sunday to replace a 5V in my Mikado. It arrived today. Although sold by Graupner it's made by Seuthe (as I'd suspected from examining the product details) and is identical to the LGB 5V unit, except it doesn't have the metal connectors to push-fit to the LGB board or decoder. No problem, snip off the connectors from the old unit and a minute's work with soldering iron and some heat-shrink sleeve sorted that! Works fine. Saved myself a fair bit of dosh: an LGB 5V unit seems to be around £20, Massoth equivalent around £22, this one just over £14 inc. postage. And you get a syringe and small bottle of smoke fluid - do the LGB & Massoth units come with those extras?
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Hi Nick,
Don't think we are talking in the same ballpark here :confused: - the Massoth unit is over £70 (Dragon G Scale) but provides pulsed smoke based on the output from a decoder or, as I understand it, the chuff mechanism fitted in a bog standard Bachmann loco...... But if you tell me otherwise I will be very impressed and rethinking my project :thinking:

Regards
Rob
 
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