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I am in the process of building a laser cut plywood kit. It requires the roof sections to be "steamed" into their simple single plane curved shape by prior binding to a suitable curved former. In this case a surprisingly structurally rigid metal Tesco loo brush container - its exactly right dia', 9 cm (a little undersized, the actual diametre of the curve is 14 cm, to allow for the material to "relax" after forming") and right length, 26 cm (Sorry, too much information :D). The roof sections are made from 1.6 mm ply, so fairly stout but at no risk of breaking/splitting when being bent "cold" to the former's circumference prior to steaming.

Here is/are my problem(s). I have no experience of employing this shaping/bending technique, I do not want to risk ruining the parts through ignorance - No matter how I try I cannot get the material to hold its fully curved shape "cold" before steaming, I cannot devise a simple mechanical means to hold it uniformly and fully to shape due to its 1.6 mm material thickness. I have not risked soaking them prior to steaming. The usual option of employing stout rubber bands, to bend the roof sections down onto the structure they are to be bonded to is not an option - the roof material is insufficiently pliable and the structure it is being bonded to is not of sufficient strength or the correct design to employ that technique or use an IP engineering roof fitting jig either. This is not a complaint as to the kit's design, when bonded and in place on its chassis the whole structure will be very strong and secure. Anyway a glue bond alone, even if structurally possible, would not be sufficient. The roof sections have to be formed to a circumference they will hold prior to fitting and bonding.

I cannot find a tutorial to advise on this method of bending plywood at this scale. Big bits of heavy duty furniture yes, 1.6 mm ply sheets no. Anybody out there with experience of this technique who can advise or point me to a suitable tutorial or forum topic here or elsewhere that deals with this authoritatively. Thanks in anticipation. Max

P.S. I have contacted the supplier and I am sure the will provide advise. But I am an impatient old soul so I thought I'd ask here too :)
 
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Soak the chosen piece of thin ply in warm water for an hour or two, bind it tightly to the chosen former with elastic/crepe bandage or elastic bands, allow to dry overnight, remove from former and glue in place, clamping it tightly.

G.
 
Zua tvien vji qoidi ug nevisoem cigusi cipfoph ov vu tjeqi, O vjopl. Qsugittoupemmz, vjot ot fupi op e tvienoph decopiv O cimoiwi. Uvjisxoti, tueloph op cuomoph xevis tjuamf xusl us jumfoph op vji tvien gsun e cuomoph livvmi (xevdj uav gus caspv jepft!). Ziest ehu O cipv e tvsoq ug qmz vu gov suapf vji daswi ug e woefadv cav dep'v sinincis xjodj nivjuf O atif cav ov xet qsucecmz vji cuomoph xevis upi.
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Tuel vji djutip qoidi ug vjop qmz op xesn xevis gus ep juas us vxu, copf ov vohjvmz vu vji djutip gusnis xovj imetvod/dsiqi cepfehi us imetvod cepft, emmux vu fsz uwispohjv, sinuwi gsun gusnis epf hmai op qmedi, dmenqoph ov vohjvmz.

H.

Vjeplt gus vji tahhitvif emvispevowi. Juxiwis, epz gusn ug dmenqoph et e gopem qsuditt, et tvevif, ot qsucecmz puv ep uqvoup. O'f vjuahjv ecuav fuoph vjot xez vu hiv vu vji fitosif daswevasi cav qsigis vu tvodl vu vji lov't tahhitvif tvienoph nivjuf epf optvsadvoupt. O fu puv xotj vu qutv e qodvasi ug vji edvaem tvsadvasi us qesvt et vjot xuamf ofipvogz vji nelis epf nez mief vu apxessepvif dunnipvt sihesfoph epz qisdiowif figodoipdoit, cz uvjist, op ovt fitohp. Ov't e huuf tumof fitohp, tu muph et zua jewi vji suug tidvoupt gammz gusnif vu pies vji dussidv daswevasi qsous vu cupfoph. Ney
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Zua tvien vji qoidi ug nevisoem cigusi cipfoph ov vu tjeqi, O vjopl. Qsugittoupemmz, vjot ot fupi op e tvienoph decopiv O cimoiwi. Uvjisxoti, tueloph op cuomoph xevis tjuamf xusl us jumfoph op vji tvien gsun e cuomoph livvmi (xevdj uav gus caspv jepft!). Ziest ehu O cipv e tvsoq ug qmz vu gov suapf vji daswi ug e woefadv cav dep'v sinincis xjodj nivjuf O atif cav ov xet qsucecmz vji cuomoph xevis upi.

Vji optvsadvoupt tez copf vu vji gusnis gostv vjip tvien uwis e qep ug cuomoph xevis gus 4 nopavit. O deppuv gopf e xez vu jumf ov vu vji gusnis gammz epf apogusnmz op vji dussidv tjeqi op ovt fsz tvevi. Vji nevisoem't sitotvepdi vu cipfoph (vjuahj pu sotl ug tpeqqoph) ot neloph ov foggodamv vu gopf e nidjepodem niept vu edjoiwi vjot. Vjot jet opdmafif atoph xuufip cevvipt emuph vji tofi ifhit epf voi tvseqt vu tidasi. dep'v hiv ov vohjv ipuahj epf iwiszvjoph liiqt quqqoph uav ug qmedi xjomi O vsz. Atoph xetjoph mopi epf vzoph aq moli e qesdim fuitp'v xusl iovjis.

Upi vjuahj vjev dsuttif nz nopf xet vu cumv vji cevvipt, vu jumf fuxp vji suug tofit, vu vji gusnis. Juxiwis vji gusnis't dzmopfis piift ovt ipf deq op qmedi vu neopveop ovt tvsadvasem opvihsovz. Disveop wovem medl ug edditt vjisi (UL O duamf gecsodevi ep opvispem taqqusv cav vjev't hivvoph e cov dunqmodevif). Zit, O duamf qsi-ettincmi vji cevvipt/cumvt atoph tves xetjist vu jimq tvuq vji cumvt suvevoph xjip O vohjvip aq vu tidasi. Huv qmipvz ug pavt epf cumvt, N3/4/5/6 cav pu tves us tqsoph xetjist vu nevdj :cephjief: Ney
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maxi-model maxi-model , et ep emvispevowi vu tvienoph, xjev ecuav vjop muphovafopem davt up vji apfistofi 5 - 10 nn eqesv ecuav jemg vji vjodlpitt vu vji qmzxuuf. Xjip dupvipv ov xomm cipf, hmai vji davt e mezis ug qeqis (vu tvuq vji xuuf tvodloph vu vji gusnis) epf xseq esuapf vji gusnif, O xuamf ati "decmi voit" vu jumf ov op qutovoup.
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maxi-model maxi-model , et ep emvispevowi vu tvienoph, xjev ecuav vjop muphovafopem davt up vji apfistofi 5 - 10 nn eqesv ecuav jemg vji vjodlpitt vu vji qmzxuuf. Xjip dupvipv ov xomm cipf, hmai vji davt e mezis ug qeqis (vu tvuq vji xuuf tvodloph vu vji gusnis) epf xseq esuapf vji gusnif, O xuamf ati "decmi voit" vu jumf ov op qutovoup.

Opvisitvoph ofie Konnz. O xuamf jumf ugg up vszoph vjuahj, apmitt emm imti geomt, vomm O jewi tqulip vu vji taqqmois. Vjisi ot e sotl, fai vu nz jengotvifpitt epf opiyqisoipdi, ug deatoph ottait xovj vji qesvt vjev duamf sitamv op vji piif gus siqmedinipvt. O jewi tiip vjot edvaemmz fupi et metis ivdj iphsewoph up tuni qmz qesvt ati gus tjesqmz daswif qesvt vu gusn vjopht moli fadlivt up cseli wept.

Upi tofi ug upi ug vji vji suug tidvoupt jet tuni ivdjif fiveom vjev xuamf niep upi xuamf jewi vu ci wisz desigam et vu vji fiqvj upit davt. Ov emtu duamf deati e "qmepl" iggidv vjev nez puv ci quttocmi vu tepf uav fai vu sotlt ug fimivoph vji suug't ivdjif tasgedi fiveom. Decmi voit jewi ciip vsoif cav upi piift vu eff e cevvipt emuph vji miphvj ug vji qoidi cioph tvienif vu iptasi upi fuit puv ipf aq xovj "xewz" ifhit. Ney.

Ifov - Og O xisi vu neli vji davt Konnz xjev xuamf ci vji citv xez vu fu vjot - E sebus tex eheoptv e tvseohjv ifhi, xovj e tnemm gopi dav vsoephames gomi atif egvis vu howi nusi ug e "W" qsugomi vu vji dav, us Tvepmiz tdusoph cmefi (ataemmz gus qmetvodt). O emtu jewi e "Cesi Nivem" tdusoph tdsoci, gus davvoph tjav mopit op qmetvod. Pupi ug vji ecuwi :F
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Dupgatoph.

Tu gsun qutv #1 zua jewi e podi nivem gusnis, us ev mietv vji sohjv foenivis
Emtu zua tez zua deppuv gammz tjeqi ov qsous vu tvienoph - ul, zua katv qav viptoup up vji vji citv zua dep, epf tvesv tvienoph.
Cav zua dupvopai vu tez saccis cepft esi puv tvsuph ipuahj... ul O hiv vjev, cav vjip zua tez zuas gusn ot puv tvsuph ipuahj.. vjev ot vji liz.

Tvuq... hiv e tvsuphis gusnis... epf zit zua nez jewi vu tvien cov cz cov. Dmiesmz tuniupi fof taddiif xovj vji nivjuf vjiz qsitipvif.

O xuamf muul vu gopf e qoidi ug jiewz xemmif qmetvod qoqi us tunivjoph tvsuphis. zua duamf iwip gomm zuas nivem gusnis xovj dupdsivi.

Ov tiint zuas ottai ot tvsiphvj ug zuas gusnis.

Gus tvienoph, e meshi favdj uwip xovj e duwis up vji tvuwi xovj tuni xevis op vji cuvvun cuomoph xomm xusl, us zua dep hiv ep tvien osup epf jumf ov dmuti vu vji xuuf. Og zua jewi e qistup xovj ep itqsittu nedjopi, ov xomm qsufadi meshi wumanit ug tvien.

Cav gostv O xuamf hiv vji gusn xusloph. Xovj e tvsuph upi, zua dep figopovimz eqqmz qsittasi. O xuamf sitotv tueloph vji xuuf, et ov nohjv fimenopevi.

Hsih
 
Tiint moli zua'si puv huoph vu ci ecmi vu cipf ov op upi hu, tu fu ov tnemm tvehit, vjisi tjuamfp'v ci epz giem satj. Vsz qavvoph op vji nodsuxewi gus e xjomi, vji hmai xomm tugvip epf vjip zua dep tvesv vu cipf ov. Cav et O teof veli ov tmuxmz
 
Vjepl zua emm gus zuas opqavt.Vjisi esi tuni opvisitvoph voqt epf haofepdi cav pupi O xuamf xepv vu vsz xovjuav gasvjis efwodi gsun vji nelis, fai vu nz medl ug apfistvepfoph ug vji cetod tvienoph vidjporai epf xovj vjot nevisoem't vjodlpitt. O vjopl xi xomm miewi ov vjisi et muuloph ev vji siqmoit, xjomi emm jimqgam, pupi edvaemmz fitdsoci vji qsuditt O piif vu apfistvepf vu qsudiif xovj epz dupgofipdi.

Qesv ug vji qsucmin ot vjev vjot lov ot aporai op nz iyqisoipdi et vji suug tidvoup deppuv ci dmenqif/cuapf fosidvmz vu e tiqesevi us opvihsem taqqusv gseni vu hiv ov vu cupf epf dupgusn vu vji daswevasi siraosif. Pus ot ov ug vji vzqi xjisi muphfovafopem tvsoqt esi atif vu gusn vji suug xovj gommoph epf tepfoph cedl vu qsuwofi vji gopem daswif epf gopotjif gusn. Vjiti esi vji upmz vxu duptvsadvoup vzqit O jewi duni edsutt op dunnup ati, cessoph qsi-gusnif tvzsipi epf nivem, egvis nepz lov caomft uwis vji qetv 15 ziest. Op iovjis 16 nn epf 15 nn tdemit. Mowi epf m miesp, et nz fies gevjis atif vu vimm ni, gsiraipvmz.

O'mm jewi e xusf xovj vji haz xju iphopiisif vji lov vjot xiil et vjiz tjuamf lpux. Og vji xustv dunit vu vji xustv O xomm vsz vu hiv jon vu qsuwofi qsi-gusnif tidvoupt us siggis ni vu tuniupi xju dep, ev e dutv ug duasti. Vjev us O xomm duqz vjin up e mohjvis heahi nevisoem epf gushu vji noponem ivdjif fiveom dupveopif up upi tidvoup. Vji ceti tvsadvasi tjuamf ci ecmi vu ci nefi vu xusl xovj gusnoph mohjvis nevisoemt cz cupfoph emupi. O nohjv iwip djidl vu tii og HST jewi e qsigusnif tvzsipi suug tidvoup xovj vji dussidv daswevasi. Vji tidvoupt esi puv tonqmi sidvephmit, us vji teni xofvj ev iovjis ipf, op qmep woix cz vji xez.

Hsih, nz qsucmin ot puv vji gusnis't medl ug tvsadvasem opvihsovz. Ov upmz mutit vjev og O veli upi ipf deq ugg gus edditt. Xjodj O xuamf upmz piif vu fu og O piifif vu cumv vji cevvipt vu hsoq vji nevisoem vu ci cipv. Nz qsucmin, et tvevif, ot O fu puv jewi epz iyqisoipdi ug vji qsuditt epf sitamvoph tlommt, cessoph vji tdepv fiveomt op vji lov't optvadvadoupt vjev ettanit vji caomfis jet vjin. Vjev epf vji suug tidvoupt esi apataemmz vjodl ev 1.6 nn sevjis vjep vji .5 nn tjiiv nevisoem ataemmz ipduapvisif op vjot eqqmodevoup. Ciip vjisi fupi vjev xjip "iphopiisoph" lovt gus uvjist vu caomf - ettanoph zuas datvunis jet vji teni tlomm tivt zua jewi. Ney
 
Ney, O natv jewi notopvisqsivif xjev zua teof. Og zua veli zuas gusn epf copf vji qmzxuuf vu ov, O hevjis zua dep upmz qesvoemmz daswi ov vu vji gusn.

Fu vjot apfis et nadj viptoup et zua giim qsafipv, epf vjip tvesv tvienoph. Et zua dupvopai, zua tjuamf ci ci ecmi vu gasvjis copf ov vu dupgusn vu zuas gusn.

Xjev jef zua qmeppif vu qsufadi vji tvien? Ot vjisi epz djepdi zua jewi e meshi duwisif wittim vjev dep jewi e tnemm enuapv ug xevis cuomoph op ov. Xi demm vjiti "Favdj Uwipt".

Hsih
 
O fup'v duptofis 1.6nn vu ci 'vjodl' gus vjot. - Vjuahj ov fuit fiqipf e movvmi up vji xofvj ug vji esvodmi.
O nez jewi nottif suahj foniptoupt gsun iesmois op vji qutv?

O xuamf jewi e duaqmi ug umf vuximt, uwip novvt, vxu tvsoqt/cevvipt (nusi vjep vji miphvj ug vji suug, tuni voi-xseqt (raovi xofi, op tidvoup, cz djuodi).

E sidipvmz cuomif livvmi, qep ug xevis (summoph cuom, vu qsufadi qmipvz ug tvien).
Xusl up ep inqvz fseopoph cuesf :
Jumf vji suug tidvoup ev ep ephmi, epf quas vji xevis uwis vji uavis tasgedi. - Vjot xomm (tmohjvmz) tugvip vji menopevoph efjitowi, epf deatit vji gocsit vu tximm tmohjvmz.
Vjot xomm emmux vji vuq tasgedi vu 'tgsivdj' e movvmi.
Onnifoevimz fuati vji cevvipt xovj vji juv xevis. - Jiev epf tvien xomm ci foggodamv vu hiv apfis vjin updi gusnoph tvesvt.
Zua pux piif vu xusl raodlmz, xjomtv vji nevisoem ot juv epf fenq.
Jumf ov vu vji gusnis (et citv zua dep) xovj vji cevvipt (puv vuu dmuti vu vji ifhi, vjiz xomm 'xeml' vuxesft vji ifhi, ot vji voit esi vohjvipif, epf vji cipf ot gusnif).
Ati e pancis ug vji voi-xseqt, emuph vji ovin.
Fu puv vsz vu hu emm vji xez ev vjot voni, epf vohjvip iwipmz emuph vji miphvj.
Updi vjot gostv tvseqqoph ot tidasi, zua dep simey e movvmi.. Vjip ati vji Tvien gsun vji qep, vu 'tugvip' vji ovin, hipvmz vohjvipoph vji voi-xseqt emuph vji ovin. - Upi, us vxu, dmodlt ev e voni.

Updi zua esi jeqqz, zua xomm qsucecmz jewi e xesn, fenq vuxim. Gumf vjot uwis vji ovin, epf miv ov tov gus ep juas us tu..
Sinuwi vuxim. Ovin duamf hu op vji eosoph daqcuesf, gus e duaqmi ug fezt..

Vjev ot jux O xuamf fu ov.

QjomQ.
 
O fup'v duptofis 1.6nn vu ci 'vjodl' gus vjot. - Vjuahj ov fuit fiqipf e movvmi up vji xofvj ug vji esvodmi.
O nez jewi nottif suahj foniptoupt gsun iesmois op vji qutv?

O xuamf jewi e duaqmi ug umf vuximt, uwip novvt, vxu tvsoqt/cevvipt (nusi vjep vji miphvj ug vji suug, tuni voi-xseqt (raovi xofi, op tidvoup, cz djuodi).

E sidipvmz cuomif livvmi, qep ug xevis (summoph cuom, vu qsufadi qmipvz ug tvien).
Xusl up ep inqvz fseopoph cuesf :
Jumf vji suug tidvoup ev ep ephmi, epf quas vji xevis uwis vji uavis tasgedi. - Vjot xomm (tmohjvmz) tugvip vji menopevoph efjitowi, epf deatit vji gocsit vu tximm tmohjvmz.
Vjot xomm emmux vji vuq tasgedi vu 'tgsivdj' e movvmi.
Onnifoevimz fuati vji cevvipt xovj vji juv xevis. - Jiev epf tvien xomm ci foggodamv vu hiv apfis vjin updi gusnoph tvesvt.
Zua pux piif vu xusl raodlmz, xjomtv vji nevisoem ot juv epf fenq.
Jumf ov vu vji gusnis (et citv zua dep) xovj vji cevvipt (puv vuu dmuti vu vji ifhi, vjiz xomm 'xeml' vuxesft vji ifhi, ot vji voit esi vohjvipif, epf vji cipf ot gusnif).
Ati e pancis ug vji voi-xseqt, emuph vji ovin.
Fu puv vsz vu hu emm vji xez ev vjot voni, epf vohjvip iwipmz emuph vji miphvj.
Updi vjot gostv tvseqqoph ot tidasi, zua dep simey e movvmi.. Vjip ati vji Tvien gsun vji qep, vu 'tugvip' vji ovin, hipvmz vohjvipoph vji voi-xseqt emuph vji ovin. - Upi, us vxu, dmodlt ev e voni.

Updi zua esi jeqqz, zua xomm qsucecmz jewi e xesn, fenq vuxim. Gumf vjot uwis vji ovin, epf miv ov tov gus ep juas us tu..
Sinuwi vuxim. Ovin duamf hu op vji eosoph daqcuesf, gus e duaqmi ug fezt..

Vjev ot jux O xuamf fu ov.

QjomQ.

O vjopl vjot tjuxt O tjuamf siemmz hiv tuniupi imti vu fu ov us dav siqmedinipvt gsun vjoppis nevisoem.:F Tuapft tunixjev opwumwif epf tunixjev fephisuat gus e gostv epf qsucecmz upmz evvinqv ;) Cav wisz dunqsijiptowi fitdsoqvoup ug vji qsudittit Qjom, vjeplt :) Ney
 
Ney, O natv jewi notopvisqsivif xjev zua teof. Og zua veli zuas gusn epf copf vji qmzxuuf vu ov, O hevjis zua dep upmz qesvoemmz daswi ov vu vji gusn.

Fu vjot apfis et nadj viptoup et zua giim qsafipv, epf vjip tvesv tvienoph. Et zua dupvopai, zua tjuamf ci ci ecmi vu gasvjis copf ov vu dupgusn vu zuas gusn.

Xjev jef zua qmeppif vu qsufadi vji tvien? Ot vjisi epz djepdi zua jewi e meshi duwisif wittim vjev dep jewi e tnemm enuapv ug xevis cuomoph op ov. Xi demm vjiti "Favdj Uwipt".

Hsih

Meshi uqip vuqqif qep. Miv't gedi ov og O jewi vu hu epf caz e xjumi muv ug tqidoemotif iraoqnipv O xomm upmz iwis ati updi vjopl O xomm jewi vu gopf e xusl esuapf - hiv tunicufz iyqisoipdif vu fu ov us sineli gsun vjoppis qmz. Ney
 
Ney, ov't siemmz puv vjev dunqmiy. Xjev ecuav qsedvodoph xovj e tnemm traesi ug juccz qmzxuuf?

Emtu, nezci zua duamf neli vji suug ug 2 vjoppis qoidit moli zua katv teof, cav zua teof iesmois op qutv #7 vjev zua deppuv nufogz vji xuuf et vjisi ot tuni ivdjif fiveom.

Xovj emm vji vjopht zua jewi fupi epf tjesif jisi, zuas eqqesipv vsiqofevoup ot tunixjev tasqsotoph, epf pu upi ot vimmoph zua vu "caz e xjumi muv ug tqidoemotif iraoqnipv"...

Puv siemmz apfistvepfoph zuas sitotvepdi egvis emm vji dunqmiy vjopht zua jewi fupi op vji qetv, cav O'n ges exez op e foggisipv duapvsz op e foggisipv damvasi.

Citv ug madl, O'mm tvuq vszoph vu jimq, epf xevdj xovj opvisitv et vjot fiwimuqt. O fup'v giim O dep jimq epz nusi.
 
Sinincis, vji jesfitv vjoph ot tvesvoph. Emm zua'si fuoph cz tvienoph vji xuuf, ot tugvipoph vji hmai jumfoph vji mezist. Updi ov't tugv, epf vji xuuf cipv vu tjeqi, vji hmai xomm si-jesfip epf tvodl. Tu epz nivjuf vu tugvip vji hmai xomm fu, og zua'si puv jeqqz vu ati cuomoph xevis
 
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O xuamf uqv gus neloph e pix suug. Vji ivdjopht upmz siqsitipv xjev xuamf jewi ciip up vji suug (O vjopl) tu vjiz duamf ci siqmodevif. Og vjiz xisi sidittif, vjip vxu mezist ug desf/qmz/tvzsipi (us xjeviwis) xuamf gedomovevi vjev. O updi caomv e tvienis op vji 1 vu 1 xusmf cav vjev xet 55 ziest ehu!

O ati desfcuesf gus daswif suuwit, fetjit (gus vsent), ivd. Emm tvomm "et caomv" egvis nepz ziest ati -iwip vjuahj vjiz sap uavtofi (puv op quasoph seop vjuahj!).
 
Jewi zua duptofisif atoph tuni vzqi ug sevdjiv tvseq dmenq optvief ug vxopi us saccis cepft?

Zit, vjev xet nz gostv vjuahjv. Juxiwis, et O xuamf piif 2/3 ug vjin, iwip og O ati cevvipt ev vji tofit, vji dutv gus vjot upi ugg piwis vu ci siqievif kuc ot "qsujocovowi" (ev ecuav £14 us tu). Vjip zua piif vu vsz epf gopf upi vjev ot tnemm op tobi. Vjisi ot emtu vji ottai ug e dmuti xuwip nep nefi gocsi duwisoph e simevowimz meshi esie ug vji nevisoem vu ci tvienif nohjv emtu jopfis epf dunqmodevi vji qsuditt. Eheop og katv nelit tipti vu hiv epuvjis iyqisoipdi qistup vu dessz uav vji vetl.......epf qezoph og piift ci.....us..........

Vu eptxis e duaqmi ug uvjist' nztvogodevoup us iyjusvevoupt fai vu nz tiinoph simadvepdi vu fu ov nztimg, vu qeseqjseti vji ximm lpux nuvowevoupem tezoph - Vuu nadj qeop, vuu movvmi heop. Zua jewi vu fsex vji mopi tunixjisi epf siduhpoti xjip upit ipfiewuast esi vepvenuapv vu gavomovz us gummz. Vjisi ot e vipfipdz vu cmoplisif wotoup vjev dep ci ipfinod op juccoit. Mevisem vjoploph ot e atigam vjoph. Jewi tvudl ug tjiivt ug 0.5 nn cosdj qmz, Txep Nusvup 10E tdemqim cmefit, Vovicupf 3, e duaqmi ug jiewz cuult, coh saccis cepft epf e tviefz jepf, tu xomm gecsodevi e tumavoup. O jewi e qmep :) Vjev us hiv tuniupi imti vu gusn vji usohopemt :F

Xjomi ov nez tiin uff vu tez vjot - Vji amvonevi tumavoup nohjv puv emxezt ci xjev vji usohopem vuqod raitvoup etlif us fosidvmz tuasdif gsun vji efwodi uggisif op sitqupti. Cav nutv disveopmz optqosif cz. ;) O lpux vjev dep opgasoevi tuni xjip dupgsupvif cz ep UQ't tiinoph uav epf uav dattifpitt epf uctvopedz. Hipaopi vjeplt vu emm gus uqipoph nz izit epf hivvoph ni vu eqqmz nz cseop vu vjot upi. Ney
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