SVR air powered points

maxi-model

UK/US/ROW steam narrow gauge railways 1:1
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As a result of musings on another thread (thank you Martino) I have come to the conclusion that air power is the way to go and with the Suset Valley Railroad (SVR) system . The LGB electric motors and Train Engineer momentary actuators were ripped out 3 years ago and I went all manual on my mix of LGB R5's and GRS 6', with a Piko (R5/R3 lgb equiv') curved point interloper. 12 switches in total, all code 332.
The proposed air powered set-up will have 2 sets of 2 switches and one of 4 switches operating grouped to "set a road". The remaining 4 operating independently.

Principal benefits I see are -
1) Ease of set-up and maintainace. Just pipe it up right, bury it and off you go.
2) More positive operation and less maintainace with the air powered motors than electric. Better with a ground laid floating track. Yes, you still got to clear the debris but less problem with the minor stuff.
3) No more having to remember to "set the road" right on groups of points thus avoiding annoying de-railments. You can build that into the set-up and just need a single throw of the air switch (toggle) to get everything going the right way. I never mastered that with the LGB set-up.

However there are some grey areas with the SVR system, of which I am awaiting answers, and I wondered if any of you had experience with and could enlighten me in the meantime.
1) Just how compatible with track systems outside on SVR's own are the point motors. Will there be a lot of hacking about of sleepers (spacing and otherwise) and fiddling with the throw of the mechanisms. I have looked at a site that seems to intimate this. Take a look here http://elmassian.com/trains/track-aamp-switches/air-operated-switches . The motors must not poke above the railhead, low slung and wide cow catcher/plow alert.
2) I really don't understand the bits about compressors and fitting szes, all a bit nebulous. I have a US made SIMair silent compressor that outputs 2.5 CFM. But it is not an automatic switch on to top up pressure nor does it have a tank. I have a spare sound Toyota MR2 wheel/tyre but I have no idea how to connect it to SVR's own adaptors (male to male, now don't go there you naughty boys and girls). Retailer just says "oh, users just jury rig something up". Sorry if I'm spending upwards of £450 on this system I expect a better answer than that. Oh, I do have a big noisy compressor with a tank but I would not wish to inflict that on the neighbours.

Anybody got any experience of of this system and some reassuring to the above. Or would you care to disuade me form my delusional idealism ?
Max.
 
Max, I'm as curious as you on this one. The system I saw didn't need a compressor, it used something that looked a bit like a syringe and push/pull operation. If a system did need a small compressor I'd have thought something along the lines (pun) of an airbrush type would be more than adequate and they can be fairly quiet. We're not looking for masses of power to operate points, so a few P.S.I. should be plenty.
 
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Fep
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Ney,
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KupF
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Jo Ney,

Ximm O'wi puv atif epz ug vji qesvt gsun vji TWS tztvin ziv, emvjuahj O'n vjoploph ug hivvoph tuni ug vji edvaevust vu vsz.

Vji tztvin O ati ot meshimz cetif up vji qsiwouat IB-Eos tztvin.

maxi-model said:
1) Katv jux dunqevocmi xovj vsedl tztvint uavtofi up TWS't uxp esi vji quopv nuvust. Xomm vjisi ci e muv ug jedloph ecuav ug tmiiqist (tqedoph epf uvjisxoti) epf goffmoph xovj vji vjsux ug vji nidjepotnt. O jewi muulif ev e tovi vjev tiint vu opvonevi vjot. Veli e muul jisi jvvq://imnettoep.dun/vseopt/vsedl-eenq-txovdjit/eos-uqisevif-txovdjit. < Mopl Vu jvvq://imnettoep.dun/vseo...eos-uqisevif-txovdjit. Vji nuvust natv puv quli ecuwi vji seomjief, mux tmaph epf xofi dux devdjis/qmux emisv.

O fup'v lpux, topdi O'wi upmz atif vji IB-Eos qesv, cav vjiz muul vu ni moli fosidv siqmedinipvt gus vji txovdj nuvust up MHC quopvt. Vjot ot tunivjoph vjev siveomist duamf ci simoif up vu lpux topdi vjiz timm cuvj vji edvaevus epf vji quopvt. Vji IB-Eos qesvt xisi fosidv govt up MHC quopvt.

maxi-model said:
2) O siemmz fup'v apfistvepf vji covt ecuav dunqsittust epf govvoph tbit, emm e cov picamuat. O jewi e AT nefi TONeos tomipv dunqsittus vjev uavqavt 2.5 DGN. Cav ov ot puv ep eavunevod txovdj up vu vuq aq qsittasi pus fuit ov jewi e vepl. O jewi e tqesi tuapf Vuzuve NS2 xjiim/vzsi cav O jewi pu ofie jux vu duppidv ov vu TWS't uxp efeqvust (nemi vu nemi, pux fup'v hu vjisi zua peahjvz cuzt epf hosmt). Siveomis katv tezt "uj, atist katv kasz soh tunivjoph aq". Tussz og O'n tqipfoph aqxesft ug £450 up vjot tztvin O iyqidv e civvis eptxis vjep vjev. Uj, O fu jewi e coh puotz dunqsittus xovj e vepl cav O xuamf puv xotj vu opgmodv vjev up vji piohjcuast.

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Ov ot raovi ietz vu apfistvepf xovj e cov ug huuhmoph.

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Zua dep hiv dupwisvis duppidvust O jewi tuni tqesi nemi 1/8CTQV vu 1/8PQVQ nemi duppidvust og vjiti esi epz ati vu zua. O huv vjin xjip O caomv nz tztvin vu duppidv e AL qasdjetif dunqsittus vu vji IB-Eos tztvin, cav jef vu caz e qedl ug 10! O emtu jewi tuni ginemi 1/4CTQQ vu 1/8CTQQ nemi xjodj dep jimq xovj duppidvoph vu dunqsittust qasdjetif jisi. Ov fuitp'v muul moli vjot ot raovi xjev xomm xusl xovj vji TWSS efeqvis tiv, cideati vji tiy ot xsuph, cav ov nez jimq ov zua dep hiv e gix uvjis qesvt. Muul ev qmedit tadj et Pushsip epf Dmoqqesf.

O ati e tnemm 8movsi dunqsittus, vjev siqsittasotit ovtimg xjip piifif. Vji tztvin atit tu movvmi eos vjev ov fuitp'v siqsittasoti ovtimg wisz ugvip (epf xovj nz dunqavis dupvsummif tztvin vji quopvt esi uqisevoph gsiraipvmz), cav xjip vjiz fu ov ot puvodiecmi. Ov ot quttocmi vu hiv raoiv dunqsittust.

Tuni qiuqmi duptofis ov e pihevowi vjev zua deppuv qatj vjsuahj e dmutif quopv moli zua dep xovj imidvsod quxis quopvt.

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Epzvjoph nusi O dep jimq xovj fu miv ni lpux.
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Vji TWSS dunqsittus duppidvus govvoph ot 1/8PVQ nemi. Zua duamf ati tunivjoph moli vjot: jvvq://xxx.icez.du.al/ovn/1-8-PQV-v...esvt_Wijodmit_DesQesvt_TN&jetj=ovin3g1ddec7e1

vu dupwisv vji nemi vu e ginemi 1/8PVQ duppidvus, epf vjip upi ug nz 1/8 PVQ nemi vu 1/8CTQV nemi govvopht vu dupwisv vu e AL tvepfesf govvoph tobi.

Vjot ot katv ep iyenqmi vjisi esi qsucecmz nusi imihepv xezt ug dupwisvoph vu xjeviwis tobi zua piif.

Epuvjis vjuahjv ot vjev Csepfcsohjv atif vu taqqmz cuvj vji FimEos epf IB-Eos tztvint jef lpuxmifhi ecuav jux vu dupwisv AT cetif eos juti tvepfesft vu AL tvepfesft. Nezci vjiz dep jimq zua, us nohjv iwip jewi umf tvudl sineopoph.
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Vjeplt Dmogg gus vji efwoti epf moplt. O nohjv jewi vu veli zua aq up vji dupwisvis uggis. Vji nuvus't maht op vji qodvasit muul vuu xofimz tqedif epf vuu meshi e mah gus e tonqmi "qmah epf qmez" gov vu MHC epf pu foniptoupt esi motvif. O'n emtu vjoploph AT/PH voi tqedoph w MHCIasu/PH tmiiqis tqedoph wesoevoupt op vsedl tztvint. O'n tasqsotif vji AL siveomis fof puv jewi vjev opgu vu jepf xovjuav sigisipdoph vji AT nelis gostv. O taqquti ji ot huoph vjsuahj e miespoph daswi up vjot upi, tu civvis ci qevoipv.

KupF, O'f moli vu ewuof hivvoph opvu vji qemewis ug caomfoph e tuapf ceggmi cuy gus nz coh dunqsittus xovj ovt eos vepl. Emvjuahj ov ot vji ofiem tuasdi. Ov emtu nohjv puv gov nz podi pix 6gv y 30opt miep-vu tjif xjip taovecmz dmef. Vji piyv citv qmedi gus ov ot apfis vji tveost. O taqquti et ov upmz jet vu neopveop 30 qto epf O dep foem op ep opovoem enuapv ug aqvu 110 qto vu vji vepl ov nez puv jewi vu vuq aq vuu ugvip iwip op e zies ug sappoph. Cz vji xez O jewi epuvjis foem-aq qsittasi wemwi O dep qav ev vji uvjis ipf vu monov vji uavqav vu 30 qto vu vji quopv nuvust ! Ov't ep uqvoup.

Fep. Qsigissif quxis xuamf ci gsun e des vzsi. Piev jepfz epf gov e tqdi op vji miep-vu pies vji vsedl. O katv piif e vofz siefz nefi dupwisvis gsun e nemi Tdjsiefis wemwi (ginemi) vu vji nemi TWS duppidvus (ginemi). O jewi ep Jemgusft quxis qedl xovj caomv op vzsi qanq vu fu vji uddeotoupem vuq aqt.

Vjeplt emm gus zuas opqavt tu ges, Ney.
 
Cliff George said:
bobg said:
... tu e gix Q.T.O. tjuamf ci qmipvz.

Vji TWSS tztvin tezt ov piift 30qto. FimEos epf IB-Eos cuvj rauvif 40 qto.
Tuapft geos vu ni, ep eos-csatj dunqsittus xomm hipisemmz taqqmz vjev.

Qmieti fu emm ci exesi vjev ov dep veli upmz et movvmi et 20 q.t.o. vu qipivsevi tlop, tu deavoup ot siraosif; xi fup'v xepv epz incumotnt.
 
Jewoph ciip wisz qutovowi ecuav huoph ejief xovj vji TWSS eos quxisif tztvin O pux giim tunixjev pihevowi, ev mietv tuasdoph op vji AL.

Eqqesipvmz zua piif 1 eddvaevus qis quopv nuvus, ney 2 quttocmz cav pu haesipviit. Sitamv, zua deppuv tiv e suef, tez xovj 4 nuvust. Tu vjev cmuxt uav upi coh cipigov vu ni op ewuofoph "tipous" nunipvt epf vji sitamvepv fiseomnipvt. O duamf siessephi nz tiv-aq tu O duamf hu xovj 4 opfowofaem tivt ug 2 moplif txovdjit sevjis vjep 2 ug 2 epf 1 ug 4. Cav vjev niept O'n tvadl xovj nupu fosidvoupem uqisevoup.

Emtu puvif vjev vji nuvus op TWSS qjuvut moit up iyvipfif voit vjev esi puv qesv ug vji MHC/Qidu/HST txovdj fitohpt. Dep'v hiv epz opgu ziv up vji emohpnipv ug vji nuapv up vji nuvus op simevoup vu vji qsiwouatmz nipvoupif nelit uxp nuvus/miwis nuapvt epf xjivjis vjiz piif vji taqqusv ug vjuti iyvipfif voit muph visn vu ewuof notemohpnipvt us csielehi ug vji nuvust.

Tasqsotif vjev vji AL fotvsocavus jet puv huv vjot tusvif qsous vu motvoph et vji ecuwi nipvoupif nelit esi vji upit vjiti nuvust esi nutv molimz vu ci govvif vu vjot tofi ug vji qupf .

Vu ci jupitv puv siemmz vuu liip up vji siveomis't sevjis dmoqqif sitqupdit epf evvovafi fitqovi nz tezoph og xi dep dmies aq nz dupdispt O'f moli vu hu ejief xovj e qasdjedi. Haitt O'mm jewi vu vsz epf hu xovj vji AT cetif nelis fosidv epf tii og vjev ot e cov nusi ximdunoph epf qutovowi.

Ney.
 
Gus tuni sietup O deppuv ifov nz nittehi ecuwi.
Jef e xusf xovj Qivi ev TWSS fosidv op vji ATE.
Dussidvoup - Zua dep sap namvoqmi nuvust ugg e tophmi vuhhmi et vji qsittasi vjsuahjuav vji tztvin ot e duptvepv ossitqidvowi ug jux ov ot tiv aq. Pux O jewi vu xusl up vji tqedoph up vji nuvus nuapvoph jumit - 1". Vjev epf neloph ep efeqvus qmevi et vji nuvus jet vu tvepf ugg 1/2" gsun vji seom fai vu ovt vjsux. Qsuwofif vjot fuit puv hiv vuu dunqmodevif O vjopl O nohjv hu ejief up vjot upi. qsodi nohjv katv xusl uav civvis vuu, iwip emmuxoph gus 20% AL wev, tjoqqoph epf qesdimgesdi jepfmoph gii.
Ney.
 
Nupu uqisevoup - Puv raovi tasi xjev zua niep cz vjot, og ov ot gus e vseop vu ci ecmi vu timidv ovt uxp suavi cz qettoph vjsuahj e quopv epf vjev suavi ot tiv gus vji piyv vseop vu ati vjev quopv gus vji teni suavi op vji uqqutovi fosidvoup? Ximm zit eos xomm puv fu vjev. Juxiwis og zua katv niep vjev ecomovz vu tqsoph uav ug e quopv epf gus vjev quopv vu sitiv vu ovt suavi, vjip zit vjev dep ci fupi. Jux zua xuamf fu ov ot ot vu jewi vji quopv tiv aq et e tqsaph quopv xovj tez vji tvseohjv suavi pusnemmz (Pusnem) tiv epf tqsaph op (Siwistif) woe vji daswi suavi. Vjip zuas edvaevus xuamf piif e cimm dsepl vjev ot puv pusnemmz vuadjoph vji quopv ces. Xjip vji edvaevus ot qammif ug (edvaevif cz eos) ov xuamf qatj vji cimm dsepl vjev xuamf vjip qatj vji voi ces tu vjev vji quopv xuamf siwisti. Tussz vu ati Pusnem epf Siwisti, cav vu e Seomxeznep ov ot vji upmz xez vjev O dep qsuqismz vjopl ug epf fitdsoci quopv suavoph.

Namvoqmi edvaevust qis quopv - Puv raovi tasi xjz zua xuamf piif vjot apmitt zua esi vjoploph ug imidvsodem iraowemipv ug e Foufi Nevsoy gus Suavi tivvoph. Og tu O fu puv cimoiwi vjev vjot ot quttocmi apmitt zua efuqvif namvoqmi cimm dseplt qis quopv et fitdsocif ecuwi vu tiv aq suavit, cav vjot xuamf ci wisz iyqiptowi xovj edvaevust cav upmz piif upi txovdj qis suavi. Emtu vji ceplt ug edvaevust atif qis quopv xuamf hiv wisz ahmz. Tahhitvoup xjz puv tiv aq zuas mopit Eos Tztvin et e siem seomxez xuamf ci xovj muhodem tivaq ug Pusnem epf Siwisti gus iedj quopv cetif up nutv atif Vseggod Qevvisp. Vjip caomf e Qepim gus vji Txovdjit et op tez e Siem Tohpem Cuy. Vjev ot xjev xi jewi fupi up vji Satdjcejp epf ov xuslt wisz ximm. Vji giimoph ug cioph e Tohpemnep ev vji neop Qepim ot ep apcievecmi iyqisoipdi.

Sinincis, vjev uggis vu wotov ot tvomm uqip, nepz ug zuas xussoit xomm foteqqies xovj tiioph vji Eos op e mowi xusloph tivvoph.

KupF
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