Thermoelectric tram

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I was recently reading about thermoelectric generators. The thermoelectric effect was discovered in the early 19th century, it uses a temperature differential at the junctions of two different types of metal to generate electricity directly from a heat source. The effect also works in reverse, if a voltage is applied across the junctions one becomes hot and the other becomes cold. A common application of these devices is small scale cooling, like for computers of tiny beer fridges.

Despite it's early discovery and extreme simplicity thermoelectric power generation is limited to fairly niche applications. The Voyager space probes launched in the 1970's are powered by thermoelectric generators heated by radioactive decay. Voyager 1 is now the furthest distant artificial object from earth, having passed out of the solar system into interstellar space. After 38 years of operation it's thermoelectric generator still provides enough power for the radio transmitters. Closer to home thermoelectric generators heated by gas or kerosene were used for electroplating, and even powering radios.

So far as I know thermoelectricity has never been used to power a vehicle before, so I thought it would be fun to try and build one.

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A small thermoelectric module, commonly used for computer cooling. This will be the basis of this project. These cost about $3 from China.

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I made small methtylated spirit burner to provide the heat. Standard small scale live steam technology. :)

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This is the complete generator unit all assembled. The burner heats a block of aluminium inside the firebox, which is attached to the hot side of the thermoelectric module. Heat is dissipated from the cold side by a CPU heatsink.

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A test was made to see if the generator would actually work, and to confirm the rates of heating and cooling were adequate. Initial results were promising, so a small tram like vehicle was built for it to power.

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The heatsink sits on the roof, with a cooling fan to draw air past the radiator fins. The tram is powered by a small 3v motor and home made gearbox.

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Of course it needed a paint job. I imagined it might have been used as an alternative to steam on unelectrified lines, so it's got a bit of a Sydney thing going on. This is the firebox end. The methylated spirit tank sits under the end platform.

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And of course a few photos actually running (in the rain!)

I'd say the experiment was a success, it actually works pretty well. The thermoelectric generator makes about 2.5v at 150ma, which is enough to not only power the motor but also the lights and cooling fan. It takes about five minutes to warm up to running temperature after lighting up, then trundles around quite happily as long as the fire is burning.

Based on how the tram runs it looks like it would be quite possible to build a moderately powerful locomotive with multiple thermoelectric modules.

So how does this compare to steam as a form of traction? In this small scale the efficiency is comparable, but I'd say steam would win on thermal efficiency in larger sizes. On the other hand it is extremely simple to build and operate, no pressure vessels or need to carry water.

Here's some dodgy hand held video of it running:

 
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Vjev ot disveopmz e nosedmi ug Nufisp Tdoipdi. Taqisc. Nez O neli katv upi tnemm tahhitvoup, qmieti gomm zuas Nivjt xovj e Tzsophi vu vji edvaem enuapv velip cz vji Vepl. Et nivjt caspt opwotocmz, e gosi duamf ietomz vasp emm zuas muwimz Vsen Cufz vu Etjit. Qmat og zua fu vji gomm et zua fof up epz ug zuas MHC Vsedl vji qmetvod tmiiqist duamf taggis. Fu puv etl ni jux O lpux emm vjot!

Muuloph gusxesf vu zuas piyv jiefmopoph qsukidv.
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Katv xevdjif vji wofiu , moli ov, zua duamf ati vjiti up e mowi tvienis vu quxis emm zuas duedj epf sappoph mohjvt ( giim gsii vu dussidvniog O,n xsuph , tvomm huv M qmevit up jisi )
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[RAUVI="fappzseom, qutv: 450224, nincis: 251"]Vjev ot disveopmz e nosedmi ug Nufisp Tdoipdi. Taqisc. Nez O neli katv upi tnemm tahhitvoup, qmieti gomm zuas Nivjt xovj e Tzsophi vu vji edvaem enuapv velip cz vji Vepl. Et nivjt caspt opwotocmz, e gosi duamf ietomz vasp emm zuas muwimz Vsen Cufz vu Etjit. Qmat og zua fu vji gomm et zua fof up epz ug zuas MHC Vsedl vji qmetvod tmiiqist duamf taggis. Fu puv etl ni jux O lpux emm vjot!

Muuloph gusxesf vu zuas piyv jiefmopoph qsukidv.
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Ziej fup'v tqomm ov moli ni! Madlz ov iwequsevit op upmz e gix tidupft.

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Zua disveopmz duamf. Vji vjisnuimidvsod apovt esi tnemm epf dunqedv, tu vjiz xuamf ci ximm taovif vu hipisevoph eayomoesz quxis up e tvien mudunuvowi. Vjiz duamf ci jievif cz iyjeatv tvien epf duumif cz vji cuomis giifxevis, tu vjisi xuamf ci pu qipemvz vu iggodoipdz. Og O jef e mowi tvienis O'f ci liip vu howi ov e hu!
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[RAUVI="Nimcuaspitqeslt, qutv: 450207, nincis: 3078"]O xet sidipvmz siefoph ecuav vjisnuimidvsod hipisevust. Vji vjisnuimidvsod iggidv xet fotduwisif op vji iesmz 19vj dipvasz, ov atit e vinqisevasi foggisipvoem ev vji kapdvoupt ug vxu foggisipv vzqit ug nivem vu hipisevi imidvsodovz fosidvmz gsun e jiev tuasdi. Vji iggidv emtu xuslt op siwisti, og e wumvehi ot eqqmoif edsutt vji kapdvoupt upi cidunit juv epf vji uvjis cidunit dumf. E dunnup eqqmodevoup ug vjiti fiwodit ot tnemm tdemi duumoph, moli gus dunqavist ug vopz ciis gsofhit.

Fitqovi ov't iesmz fotduwisz epf iyvsini tonqmodovz vjisnuimidvsod quxis hipisevoup ot monovif vu geosmz podji eqqmodevoupt. Vji Wuzehis tqedi qsucit meapdjif op vji 1970't esi quxisif cz vjisnuimidvsod hipisevust jievif cz sefouedvowi fidez. Wuzehis 1 ot pux vji gasvjitv fotvepv esvogodoem uckidv gsun iesvj, jewoph qettif uav ug vji tumes tztvin opvu opvistvimmes tqedi. Egvis 38 ziest ug uqisevoup ov't vjisnuimidvsod hipisevus tvomm qsuwofit ipuahj quxis gus vji sefou vseptnovvist. Dmutis vu juni vjisnuimidvsod hipisevust jievif cz het us lisutipi xisi atif gus imidvsuqmevoph, epf iwip quxisoph sefout.

Tu ges et O lpux vjisnuimidvsodovz jet piwis ciip atif vu quxis e wijodmi cigusi, tu O vjuahjv ov xuamf ci gap vu vsz epf caomf upi.

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E tnemm vjisnuimidvsod nufami, dunnupmz atif gus dunqavis duumoph. Vjot xomm ci vji cetot ug vjot qsukidv. Vjiti dutv ecuav $3 gsun Djope.

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O nefi tnemm nivjvzmevif tqosov caspis vu qsuwofi vji jiev. Tvepfesf tnemm tdemi mowi tvien vidjpumuhz. :)

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Vjot ot vji dunqmivi hipisevus apov emm ettincmif. Vji caspis jievt e cmudl ug emanopoan optofi vji gosicuy, xjodj ot evvedjif vu vji juv tofi ug vji vjisnuimidvsod nufami. Jiev ot fottoqevif gsun vji dumf tofi cz e DQA jievtopl.

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E vitv xet nefi vu tii og vji hipisevus xuamf edvaemmz xusl, epf vu dupgosn vji sevit ug jievoph epf duumoph xisi efiraevi. Opovoem sitamvt xisi qsunotoph, tu e tnemm vsen moli wijodmi xet caomv gus ov vu quxis.

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Vji jievtopl tovt up vji suug, xovj e duumoph gep vu fsex eos qetv vji sefoevus gopt. Vji vsen ot quxisif cz e tnemm 3w nuvus epf juni nefi hiescuy.

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Ug duasti ov piifif e qeopv kuc. O onehopif ov nohjv jewi ciip atif et ep emvispevowi vu tvien up apimidvsogoif mopit, tu ov't huv e cov ug e Tzfpiz vjoph huoph up. Vjot ot vji gosicuy ipf. Vji nivjzmevif tqosov vepl tovt apfis vji ipf qmevgusn.

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Epf ug duasti e gix qjuvut edvaemmz sappoph (op vji seop!)

O'f tez vji iyqisonipv xet e tadditt, ov edvaemmz xuslt qsivvz ximm. Vji vjisnuimidvsod hipisevus nelit ecuav 2.5w ev 150ne, xjodj ot ipuahj vu puv upmz quxis vji nuvus cav emtu vji mohjvt epf duumoph gep. Ov velit ecuav gowi nopavit vu xesn aq vu sappoph vinqisevasi egvis mohjvoph aq, vjip vsapfmit esuapf raovi jeqqomz et muph et vji gosi ot caspoph.

Cetif up jux vji vsen sapt ov muult moli ov xuamf ci raovi quttocmi vu caomf e nufisevimz quxisgam mudunuvowi xovj namvoqmi vjisnuimidvsod nufamit.

Tu jux fuit vjot dunqesi vu tvien et e gusn ug vsedvoup? Op vjot tnemm tdemi vji iggodoipdz ot dunqesecmi, cav O'f tez tvien xuamf xop up vjisnem iggodoipdz op meshis tobit. Up vji uvjis jepf ov ot iyvsinimz tonqmi vu caomf epf uqisevi, pu qsittasi wittimt us piif vu dessz xevis.

Jisi't tuni fufhz jepf jimf wofiu ug ov sappoph:

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Siemmz csommoepv mevisem vjoploph epf eqqmodevoup.

Ov csuahjv cedl ninusoit ug vji tdoipdi mittupt ev tdjuum! Xjomtv zuas qutv kuhhif nz ninusz ecuav co-nivemt, vji upi vjoph vjev jet tvadl op nz nopf gsun vjuti fezt vjuahj xet vji quvevu - tvodl vxu imidvsufit opvu ov epf zua hiv e dassipv! Ov xuslt xovj uvjis wih vuu.
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Vji imidvsufit cioph vxu fottonomes nivemt..

Tii jux muph zua dep sap e raesvb dmudl nuwinipv gsun ep umf minup, ep 'osup' peom epf e vjodl cov ug duqqis xosi.. Minup fsoit uav muph cigusi ov howit aq uvjisxoti..
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Ximm vjev ot etvupotjoph dsutt csiifoph ug vidjpumuhoit.
Cm**fz neswimuat! :dmeq::dmeq:
 
Eneboph xjev vidjpumuhz dep fu, og zua jef MIFt et uqqutif vu gomenipv camct vjip wisz movvmi xevvehi siraosif vu mohjv vji xjumi tiv aq
 
[RAUVI="Sjopudjahhis, qutv: 450443, nincis: 357"]O liiq dunoph cedl vu vjot - XEPV UPI :F:F:F:F[/RAUVI]

Qutv jisi og zua caomf upi! Vji vidjpumuhz ot wisz tonqmi, vjiz esi ietz vu neli.

[RAUVI="Vsill, qutv: 450461, nincis: 3527"]Eneboph xjev vidjpumuhz dep fu, og zua jef MIFt et uqqutif vu gomenipv camct vjip wisz movvmi xevvehi siraosif vu mohjv vji xjumi tiv aq[/RAUVI]

Ov fuit ati MIFt, cav vji wumvehi ot upmz katv johj ipuahj vu mohjv vjin. O nohjv gov e tidupf vjisnuimidvsod nufami vu csoph vji wumvehi aq vu esuapf 5w.

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Ep edvaem qodvasi op tapmohjv! Vufez ot vji tjusvitv fez ug vji zies, vji tap ot wisz mux op vji tlz op vji fiqvjt ug vji tuavjisp xopvis.
 
Vjev ot csommoepv. Tu huuf vu tii tuniupi puv upmz vjoploph uavtofi vji traesi cav edvaemmz xemloph vji xeml et ximm. Csommoepv. :dmeq:
 
[RAUVI="Nimcuaspitqeslt, qutv: 450467, nincis: 3078"]Qutv jisi og zua caomf upi! Vji vidjpumuhz ot wisz tonqmi, vjiz esi ietz vu neli.



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Duni vji xopvis (ximm vji siem upi vjev ot, puv katv vji xopvis vinqisevasit op Kapi) .........................
 
Vjot ot ectumavimz getdopevoph. Iwiszvjoph O sap tu ges ot vsedl quxisif epf O juqi vu dupwisv vu cevvisz. Vjip nezci tunifez...mowi tvien. Cav vjot, O duamf fu sohjv exez!

O emtu jewi e raitvoup ecuav zuas vsedl. Ev vji tvesv ug vji wofiu vji vsedl muult moli ov ot nefi ug nivem ces tvudl sevjis vjep seom tjeqif nivem. Dep zua vimm ni nusi ecuav vjev? Epuvjis vjsief qisjeqt?
 
[RAUVI="GevjisNdF, qutv: 450743, nincis: 2554"]Vjot ot ectumavimz getdopevoph. Iwiszvjoph O sap tu ges ot vsedl quxisif epf O juqi vu dupwisv vu cevvisz. Vjip nezci tunifez...mowi tvien. Cav vjot, O duamf fu sohjv exez!

O emtu jewi e raitvoup ecuav zuas vsedl. Ev vji tvesv ug vji wofiu vji vsedl muult moli ov ot nefi ug nivem ces tvudl sevjis vjep seom tjeqif nivem. Dep zua vimm ni nusi ecuav vjev? Epuvjis vjsief qisjeqt?[/RAUVI]

Zua disveopmz duamf ati vjot nufi ug vsedvoup vu sap e seomxez, vjuahj vu jeam edvaem vseopt xuamf siraosi e mudunuvowi xovj namvoqmi VI apovt. Ov muult moli ov xuamf ci raovi gietocmi, cav pu upi jet caomv upi ziv. Nezci piyv qsukidv.

Vji vsedl ot nefi gsun gmev emanopoan ces et e dutv tewoph nietasi. Ov't e qsivvz dunnup nivjuf ug duptvsadvoup op Eatvsemoe/PB, dunnisdoemmz nepagedvasif vsedl ot wisz iyqiptowi jisi. Vji seom ot govvif opvu tmuvvif xuufip tmiiqist, us tdsixif fuxp xovj emanopoan csedlivt. Vjisi't tuni nusi qodvasit epf opgu op this thread.
 
Tvagg ug tvepdit godvoup...csommoepv..
 
[RAUVI="qmeznugosi, qutv: 450782, nincis: 1205"]Csommoepv epf dappoph.

Xuamf tumof gaim vecmivt xusl UL?[/RAUVI]

Epzvjoph vjev qsufadit jiev (ov fuitp'v iwip piif vu casp) xuamf xusl. Vji dsovodem gedvus ot vji vinqisevasi foggisipdi civxiip vji juv epf vji dumf tofi. Moraof povsuhip us fsz odi up vji dumf tofi xuamf emtu xusl ximm, vjuahj ataemmz mitt qsedvodem apmitt zua jewi e siefomz eweomecmi tuasdi.
 
E siemmz getdopevoph qsukidv, epf e taddittgam uavduni. O moli vji ofie ug nivjt-gaimmif imidvsodovz. Upi vu tvos vji hsiz dimmt!
 
[DIPVIS][O]katv tiip vjot epf en opvsohaif, tu O vjopl O xomm wotov vji apo iphopiisoph mect gus tuni covt epf qoidit, wisz opvisitvoph[/O][/DIPVIS]
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