What sound for a Brunig ?

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Apologies first - this spans a few subjects .
I have been contacted by a gentleman here in Spain who has a nice Brunig LGB 20471 that he wants to put in a display case and have running and also to have sound. Not knowing much about these things I thought that I would bend your ears.
As far as I can tell it is DCC ready but no decoder fitted. He wants to run it on rollers , the Aristocraft ones are ugly for display use, I suspect that a much lower profile is required - any ideas ?
Control - the big Dc/DCC debate - to me, for this purpose, a simple DC setup should work but the question of sound raises its head. Would the sound module made by that nice man in Australia be suitable - soundwise ? or is there another choice ?
I just think that to spend a small fortune on a pukka Massoth system for a display cabinet is a bit OTT, he does say that a garden layout is a long term plan though. I'll try to get him to sign up here so he can follow the thread.

Any thoughts / advice will help.

Patrick
 
Hi Patrick - how's it going?

How about letting the rollers into holes cut in a base so they are aligned with rail level, with track between and either side of them? The rack cylinders won't turn though, I think they are driven off the track?
 
If it's just for DC operation, so you don't need a driving decoder, maybe a Massoth S sound module? Very tiny so will go somewhere in most locos, easy to fit (two-wire connection to track power, then plug in the speaker) and works fine on analogue - plus you can have it programmed to almost all the sound files in Massoth's library, which I'm sure includes the correct sounds for the Brunig. The units are listed as three types (generic steam, diesel and electric) but if you buy from a decent dealer you can take whichever one is available and he will be able to put any sound file you choose onto it for you. Depending on who you buy from, they're just over 100 euros, plus another 10 or so for a speaker. Not cheap, but less than one of combined sound/driving decoders.

For the display rollers, I'd stick with Massoth there too - again not cheap, but they are very well built and visually unobtrusive (no big ugly outside frames, all you see is the roller wheels).

Jon.
 
Zerogee, interesting about the Massoth S, I'll look into that and pass on the info.

Neil, been a long time, I'm fine cheers. Are you sure about the rack wheel motion not moving unless on a rack ?
I thought the Massoth rollers were much the same as Aristo ones, but made in Germany will therefore be better made/quality. I think he is leaning towards Aristo based on cost. Again I'll take a browse at the Massoth ones. Thanks boys :)
at least I can throw some ideas his way now.
 
Hi Patrick

No, I'm not sure! It was a comment I saw somewhere ages ago, but as the prototype rack motion wouldn't move unless it was on a rack section either, it seems reasonable? Where's Mike, I think he has one!

Neil.
 
They are DCC ready BUT there is not too much room in there for a speaker. I finished up putting a thin speaker in the cab roof , or place a 28mm 2 watt 8ohm in the front in the smoke box
 
BTW Massoth decoder 8210047 . Awesome
 
speaker is fitted under boiler, aboue the cylinders, theres a purpose made slot/grill for it ..
 
I can confirm that the Brünig locos' rack mechanism is driven "backwards", ie the rack drives a cog under the loco which in turn drives the connecting rods etc. So that part of the engine won't turn over on a rolling road.

I know nothing about fitting sound but these locos represent an interesting challenge. In adhesion mode they worked as 2-cylinder engines so that's straightforward. But in rack mode they were 4-cylinder compounds, with the rack pistons working at twice the beats per minute of the adhesion pistons. Working out how to simulate that, and how to switch in the appropriate 4-cylinder sound at the right moment, should keep someone busy for a while...!
 
fintimboy said:
I can confirm that the Brünig locos' rack mechanism is driven "backwards", ie the rack drives a cog under the loco which in turn drives the connecting rods etc. So that part of the engine won't turn over on a rolling road.

I know nothing about fitting sound but these locos represent an interesting challenge. In adhesion mode they worked as 2-cylinder engines so that's straightforward. But in rack mode they were 4-cylinder compounds, with the rack pistons working at twice the beats per minute of the adhesion pistons. Working out how to simulate that, and how to switch in the appropriate 4-cylinder sound at the right moment, should keep someone busy for a while...!
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If you listen to the Massoth sound file in Stockers' link above, you can hear that it sounds very different from most "normal" locos. The Massoth files can be loaded onto any of their sound decoders - S, LS or XLS.

Jon.
 
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