Anton's Live Diesel Locomotive

I'm fascinated by these locos, I have followed your work over on Carl's CGR site for a long time! Now you have got James (midwalesstokie) building one too - excellent. I have been interested in this method of propulsion since seeing Bob Symes-Shutzman's Brush Type 4 with a Taplin Twin engine in Model Railways magazine in the 70's.
 
desial power in g scale,.. cracking!:thumbup:
 
Interesting stuff, a fully enclosed body may well deaden the sound a bit more, but she looks the part and runs at a realistic speed . Excellent ! :thumbup::thumbup:
 
Great stuff (apart from the noise, of course)!
While looking at one of the vids, youtubby links led me to this one..... now something like that (if it could be made a bit smaller) would be a much more realistic-sounding power plant for a "real diseasal"....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxlZ9_tynjM&feature=fvwrel < Link To http://www.youtube.com/wa...njM&feature=fvwrel

Jon.
 
Thank you very much guys for the comments, made me very happy that people appreciate the work that goes into trying to build something a bit different.

J2s - If the mixture is made richer, you get more fuel going in and the 'clag' you speak of seems to be double that of what you see in the video. I am currently making a 4 stroke version, which if you like clag, look out for as it should produce nice clag plus more realistic sound.

http://www.cgtrains.com/t1085-anton-s-live-diesel-locomitve-number-3

New Haven Neil 2 - Hi, thats nice to hear, that my work has been followed, so i am sure you are aware that i have 3 different diesels, all at different stages of being complete. Yes for most people, Barry Reeves, Bob Pope, Mr Wada or Jerry Hyde and Dave Watkins were the initiator to this kind of idea, but they are beyond my age range, as i am only 20 years old. Mr Carl Hibbs was my inspiration to this, as i had seen a diesel model of his, and got in contact with him. There are about 13/15 different diesel models on the forum now and if only all of them could get together all in one place, now that would make a very nice, noisy video :D

Mike - Thank you very much, much appreciated :)

Garrymartin - Thank you, yes the speed seems to be pretty good, not as fast as i thought but number 2 and or diesel number 3 should be fast (more powerful) and therefore haulage should be better.

Zerogee - Thank you, had a look and your right, that engine would sound nice. My 3rd diesel http://www.cgtrains.com/t1085-anton-s-live-diesel-locomitve-number-3 will have a OS 4 stroke engine in it and should sound far more realistic and at slower speeds, still not exactly like in that vid but closer then the 2 stroke. So thank you

Anton Richards
 
Hi Guys

After seeing someone else play around with AC forms of generators instead of DC, I decided to give it a go....and well its worked for me...which is unusual, as usually the first time I try something with models, it fails....

Im now using a clutch, a brushless motor from a plane, and some gears, instead of a straight 1:1 coupling.....so this time, the loco is remote control, and starts to move with engine RPM instead of potentiometer control, which frankly was rather bad, as you must have seen in previous videos, as the diesel is constantly running away from me.

Below are some pics and videos of whats been changed...and the loco running on a test track in the garden.

Ive also nearly completed my third live diesel locomotive now, which is being powered by a 40 size 4 stroke model aero engine...so please stay tuned for when that come out the shed.

Enjoy
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7huHhPkeH0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwTlJ031pDk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4AN9DGzBbo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNMqwpj5Ep0

Please also subscribe to my channel, as that way you will be notified when i make new videos

http://www.youtube.com/user/antonr91 or just type into youtube search bar: antonr91
 
As promised, ive made some more videos, this time at the club, and pulling and shunting wagons and coaches up and down gradients. 32 axles piled with real wood batons seems pretty good to me, please let me know what you guys think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvMI...type into youtube: antonr91 Many Thanks
 
Pushing and pulling all those wagons around the bends and through the points proves that your loco is certainly powerful. How long would she run for with a load of 4 or 5 wagons travelling at a scale speed of 30 kph ? As this is the sort of train most folks would run day to day.
 
Useful tractive effort...if only it didn't sound so bad. If anyone can invent a live diesel which makes a realistic sound then they will make a fortune.

Regards
Peter
 
Anton very good, reminds me of my good friend Barry Reeves Pilgrim Diesel offerings. He did an 0-4-0 and a BoBo which both went into limited production. I had one of them demonstrated on my line in Hemel. Sadly I never took a Movie of it. Would be History now as barry sold on his Business and whoever took it on appears to have done very little with it. Unless of course someone knows different. When we ran his Diesel in his home garden one of the Locals used to fire up their Petrol Lawn Mower in competition with the rocket that we were making. Great Fun, so quiet is not something that is a new problem! I know Barry worked on it for a while, but with his 0-4-0 which looks so similar to yours he also had space problems for decent sound deadening.

Just a thought, have you looked at a silencer between the frames, would have the added benefit of chucking gunge on your Tinplate track which would work wonders for the preservation of said tinplate from the elements.

Out of interest, what is the gap between you two sheds where you have to stand sideways to fire up the machine?
JonD
 
dunnyrail said:
When we ran his Diesel in his home garden one of the Locals used to fire up their Petrol Lawn Mower in competition with the rocket that we were making. Great Fun, so quiet is not something that is a new problem! I know Barry worked on it for a while, but with his 0-4-0 which looks so similar to yours he also had space problems for decent sound deadening.
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It certainly is possible to effectively muffle the sound. My new silencer works very well, the whirring of the valves makes as much noise as the exhaust now. Here's my latest video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9qGCTv07j8

Best wishes,
Dave.
 
dewintondave said:
dunnyrail said:
When we ran his Diesel in his home garden one of the Locals used to fire up their Petrol Lawn Mower in competition with the rocket that we were making. Great Fun, so quiet is not something that is a new problem! I know Barry worked on it for a while, but with his 0-4-0 which looks so similar to yours he also had space problems for decent sound deadening.
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It certainly is possible to effectively muffle the sound. My new silencer works very well, the whirring of the valves makes as much noise as the exhaust now. Here's my latest video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9qGCTv07j8

Best wishes,
Dave.
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That sounds quite quiet! With an insulated (sound deadening) body shell, and the exhaust ejecting vertically, it should be quiet something. Really compact:thumbup:

Up until now, the sound would put anybody off, but that needn't be the case as you have well demonstrated!
 
Dave, indeed that is definitely acceptable in fact very nice. Also you have managed a very compact Loco there. Though if I may hazard a comment the running is not quite so smooth as Antons. Could it be a new chassis needs more running in or has Anton got more Toys (electrical and mechanical gismo's) in his set up I wonder?
JonD
 
These live diesels are really cool ...
Makes you realise how much simpler steam engines actually are tho' in comparison!

Do we need a new section for this on the forum, to go alongside 'Live Steam'?
 
The sound level in Daves loco is much more acceptable & commercially viable. That could be tolerated in a back garden :thumbup::thumbup:
 
@ garrymartin - Thank you very much. WEll the problem is fuel consumptions. And to be honest it all depends on what size engine you have, whether its a 2 stroke or 4 stroke and how high the revs are. In this particular engine, im using a Kyosho GX 12 model car engine. Now these engines are designed to be reving up and down constantly, but not designed to be at a constant throttle for e prolonged time, so fuel wise its not the best. Unlike a aircraft engine which is designed to be at full throttle or near enough for 95% duration of flight, so my third diesel using the OS 40 four stroke should be alot better. Moreover I havnt got the gearing quite right yet, therefore its having to rev higher then what i wanted to make enough tractive power to pull things. So a smaller gear on the motor with less teeth is what is needed (i think, or it could be other way round, i get confused this early in the morning).

So to sum up, the the revs in the video, pulling the 32 or so axles, around the club track, with the smallish tank ive got, it uses 2/3 of a tank to get round. Pulling less would obviously mean less fuel used.

Hope that helps?

@ moonraker - Thank you, the sound is definitely a marmite situation, but being the creator of this machine, i love it, but i do 100% completely understand and see how many people what hate it as well. Ive tried a few different exhausts systems, and im still trying more and more. If you take a look at my third diesel locomotive, youl see it has a 4 stroke engine and im going to make a fairly long exhaust, and perhaps, even run it over water to dampen the noise.

@ dunnyrial - I am a huge fan of what Mr Reeves has created and i have been in contact with him a few times in other forums. I would do anything to see one of his pilgrim locotives, (tradesman, or pioneer) up close and running, and its a shame that who ever has bought one of these has not publicised the fact, and kept it all to themselves, as these days who ever hasnt heard of youtube is just not from this earth!

Funereally enough I can correct you on the Pilgrim Locomotive works, as I am actually in contact with the new owner, and have been for some time> His name is Roy Wood. And he is developing and working on live diesel locomotives under the same name, Pilgrim Locomotive works. I have actually had the privilage of seeing of of his new ideas, but i have not had permission to discuss what ive seen or show anyone anything yet. But his website is here: http://www.roywoodmodels.co.uk/

Regarding noise, I know that barry Revves worked var hard on noise surpression and I remember seeing a video of his pilgrim pioneer running and he had commneted back to someone saying it was too noisy, saying "most of the noise is actually the cooling fan, as its out of a hair dryer". Heres the amazing video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqoD1ajht18

Its a shame that the video owner wont reply to my messages as ive been asking about this video for a while, if anyone else has any luck, then please contact me.

Hope this helps mate?

You have a line in hemel?? im in Hertfordshire too :D

@ dewintondave - Yes it is possible, but i would say youve got a far easier job as your using a pretty new 4 stroke engine. My 4 stroke locomotive sounds alot quiter and naturally low pitch and rumbly compared to my other two locomotives.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rj8BjV2k1z4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGXeC10663U

But in no way am i saying you havnt achieved anything, dont get me wrong Dave, I am very eagerly watching what you do, as my 4 stroke needs a good muffler as i want is as quite as it can be, so keep up the good work.

Going back to dunnyrail, it has taken me ages to get this locomotive to sound how it is now, take a look at some of my first videos when i was using a 1:1 straight sleeve connection and a stock exhaust.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAYqLFOklCg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DzOyErdUhw

@ steinz - im addicted, I am currently training to be a commercial pilot, im doing my ATPL theory which is the most intense thing ive ever head to do, and its the theory to the commercial license, and im meant to have no time at all, but these diesels, stick creep back into my mind and i cant help playing. Not to say im not taking it seriously or anything, as i believe a pilot who is vary into engineering as well, will only ever be at a greater advantage.

Yes i think the administrator of this site should makc a live diesel, or alternative power section, as im torn between different threads at the moment....

For those of you who are into aviation as well please check out my first flight after gaining my first license, PPL:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxXI1XYWpX4

Regards

Anton
 
Just to further noise suppression, I think that if anybody has managed to do it very well, using 2 stroke engines, then its Mr Wada of wada works and Jerry Hyde, of hyde out mountain, as they have both produced commercial locomotives using 2 stroke engines and both sound very acceptable. Jeerys fan even sounds like a turbo charged diesel.

http://hydeoutmountainlivesteam.com...rl]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1EtBOc6418
 
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