Are there protypes for the LGB 2015 and 2090 KOF?

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having looked at many pics over the years and links here as well

did these ever really exist more or less as LGB has built them?
 
thanks -yes i am aware of the stainz and many pics as well as videos

but its the 2015, its odd side tanks, etc that im inteerested in and
actually i was looking for pics and particularly photos of a tender style loco -especially the odd little tender with its oversized wheels and tools boxes

and something like the KOF too,
ive seen all sorts that are sorta close-but never anything clearly upon which it was based

i have several older LGB catalogues in which they USED to supply the corresponding pic of the real deal-but with these 2 -not the case-or let us say, the photos are kinda similar but not what they made
 
Sorry, I thought the LGB 2015 was the 0-4-0 tender loco? The original for that ran on the Mecklenburg Pommeranian railways but these were 60cm gauge (LGB has always been pretty casual on such unimportant matters...). Try googling MSPB where you may be able to hunt down a web site with more detail.

If it's Stainz you are after, the "original" (given the number of variants, "original" is a bit of a conundrum) seems to have been the pair of Salzkammergut Lokalbahn locos which worked the Mondsee branch.
 
Try this!

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According to this linky, there were 0-4-0 versions of the HF 130 C loco:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narrow_gauge_small_locomotives_of_the_Deutsche_Reichsbahn#K.C3.B6_II

This could possibly be what LGB based the design of their KoF loco on.

The designation KoF was used by DB to classify small diesei hydraulic) locos (Klein öl Flüssigkeitsgetriebe - "Fluid drive")
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DB_Class_Köf_III

It is not the name of a manufacturer or model. Thus one could assume that this is a fantasy loco....
 
As mentioned the tender engine was inspired by the 60cm examples of the Mecklenburg/Pommeranian lines - but of course has the wrong number of axles and inside rather than outside frames! It's an early adaptation of the standard Stainz mouldings with a different cab, different wheels, cylinder mouldings and chimbey variations. A nice example of clever tool making if you ask me, but not very prototypical either.

I always assumed the 'Kof' was freelance with inspiration from a variety of examples on the DR - as others have said.
 
thanks
I simply wanted to know if these two models actually existed somewhere

as given even the original toy spremberger-(which was based in reality) as was the stainz, i thought it unlikely that LGB would simply make up 2 models-i take they are loose interpretations

but i guess not, similar to the LGB tank cars
 
I have seen somewhere the KoF diesel referred to as being a Henschel, but I have performed a superficial search for pictures and couldn't find anything resembling the L.G.B. model.
 
I once asked on the forum if there was a prototype for the LGB Matra crane, but drew a blank.

However, I've seen pictures of the OEG hopper wagons here, so not everything made by LGB, was made up....
 
I have always been quite critical of LGB and its "rubber rule" but alot of what they make has existed in various forms. Some of them were "adapted" to suit the LGB track confirmations (ie the must go around R1 mentality) like the well deck wagon they produced. If they had made it in its original form then it would have had an extra bogie at each end and what a maginficent vehicle. I made one a number of years ago and it works well- and we would have had a very nice model for the Zillertalbahn. The thing with modelling narrow gauge is the in most cases it existed somewhere but it is just a matter for us to source that original vehicle.
Gizzy said:
I once asked on the forum if there was a prototype for the LGB Matra crane, but drew a blank.

However, I've seen pictures of the OEG hopper wagons here, so not everything made by LGB, was made up....
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Gizzy said:
I once asked on the forum if there was a prototype for the LGB Matra crane, but drew a blank.

However, I've seen pictures of the OEG hopper wagons here, so not everything made by LGB, was made up....
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Trainman said:
I have always been quite critical of LGB and its "rubber rule" but alot of what they make has existed in various forms. Some of them were "adapted" to suit the LGB track confirmations (ie the must go around R1 mentality) like the well deck wagon they produced. If they had made it in its original form then it would have had an extra bogie at each end and what a maginficent vehicle. I made one a number of years ago and it works well- and we would have had a very nice model for the Zillertalbahn. The thing with modelling narrow gauge is the in most cases it existed somewhere but it is just a matter for us to source that original vehicle.
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My philosphy for my railway, is very much that 'it might have been'.

I have a story, or reason, for the existance of my line, partially based on fact, and my rolling stock carries the freight and commodies for the industry served.

It's a bit of imagination, a bit of make believe, so I have no problem with the rubber ruler, or running Europeanrolling stock on a railway set in England.

One of the best railways here on GSC, IMHO, is Mel's W&GLR. His railway brings his story to life, and locos from Europe, the USA and England do not look out of place on a British NG railway. It's a form of entertainment!

In fact, some Welsh NG railways do now run European and South African stock so these days, this is not beyond a G scale modeller's fevered imagination....
 
Indeed! A fairly thorough search on ng systems in the former east Germany, and on the ng locos inherited by DR in the 1920s, shows only the MSPB locos with that distinctive extended cab roof and a tender but those were, as James points out, outside frame 0-8-0s running on 60cm. The nearest thing in general appearance was the MSPB's 14IV (DR 99 3361). There was nothing traceable that was remotely similar in western Germany. So, a fantasy lok.

I assume that LGB had no suitable running gear that could be adapted -I seem to recall the model appearing at a time when only the Stainz and Austrian U class variants were in production, with much too large wheels.

They might be forgiven the Kof though, as I suspect that Kof is / has become a generic term for that sort of small diesel tractor; certainly, I have seen the name applied to a variety of different types on a variety of gauges.

Graham Hewett
 
From Wikipedia (German version):
First letter K is for Kleinlokomotiven (small locomotives), second is the energy source (ö = diesel, b= benzol, e/a = electrical / battery), third if present describes the way the energy if transfered to the wheels (f=Flüssigkeit (which I believe is hydraulic transmission), e=electrical motor, none=Schaltgetriebe (gear transmission?)).
- Kö/Köf/Köe (diesel engines)
- Kb/Kbf/Kbe (benzolmotor)
- Ks/Ka (battery)

Here is the German text:
"Als Energiequelle verfügten die Kleinlokomotiven zumeist über http://www.gscalecentral.co.uk/wiki/Dieselmotor < Link To Dieselmotoren (Alte Bezeichnung Kö/Köf/Köe), aber es gab sie auch mit http://www.gscalecentral.co.uk/wiki/Benzol < Link To Benzolmotor als Kb/Kbf/Kbe und mit elektrischen Batterien (http://www.gscalecentral.co.uk/wiki/Akkumulator < Link To Akku- bzw. Speicherlokomotiven: http://www.gscalecentral.co.uk/wiki/DRG-Baureihe_Ks < Link To Ks/Ka) sowie als Einzelstück mit http://www.gscalecentral.co.uk/wiki/Dampfmotor < Link To Dampfmotor. Der dritte Buchstabe bezeichnet die Art der Kraftübertragung. Fehlt er, so hat die Lok ein http://www.gscalecentral.co.uk/wiki/Fahrzeuggetriebe#Schaltgetriebe < Link To Schaltgetriebe, das f steht für ein http://www.gscalecentral.co.uk/wiki/Getriebe#Hydraulische_Getriebe < Link To Flüssigkeitsgetriebe und das e für http://www.gscalecentral.co.uk/wiki/Elektromotor < Link To elektrische Fahrmotoren, die durch einen dem Motor nachgeschalteten Generator gespeist wurden. Köf steht also für Kleinlok mit Öl-(Diesel-)Motor und Flüssigkeitsgetriebe."
 
I square this circle of mixing so many (!) desirable items of stock from so many different systems by having specific "days" - so, we have German days, RhB days (we can even now have RhB vintage and RhB '80s days), British steam and so on. That said, some of the available stock looks good (rule 8) behind any traction.
 
:)a good honest work horse
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Ah, MPSB14/DR 99 3361...just a few hours drive from here up the road east of Chicago at the Heston museum. They have two other ex MPSB locos as well. She is an O&K, and while the LGB 2015 was sold as a "Jung", but similar in appearance of interwar Germanic steam.

Now, with that said, one only has to look further east for the "influnece" in the former Prussia and East Prussia for such small locos as there was much larger number of NG lines there (and still there in some cases) than ever in the "west". Also, being a tender lok, this would be more of a Prussian type loco than anything that would look at home in Bavaria or the like.

And even today, there are little 0-4-0/0-6-0/0-8-0 tender locos of Germanic origin or design in Poland, the Kaliningrad Oblast, Estonia, etc.

As for the LGB 2015s...the best looker IMO, was the KPEV-Prussian green one that was sold by LGB for a very short time in the mid 1970s.
 
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