ASTER SHAY. Live steam from the 1970s

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Aster Shay still steaming well after 34 years.
Pretty engine but rather basic by modern standards. No axle pump or drain cocks and restraints with the size of the fuel tank and water capacity so a bit hard work driving.
Still not bad for 34 years young...the engine and not me, I wish!
Watch the old girl on you tube
http://youtu.be/bUUCXMdAThA [I...12/745b3de58af045d7b8ec48a71c9dcd08.jpg[/IMG]
 
Looks and sounds fantastic Trevor you would never know that she's 34 years old :thumbup:
Hope my steamer looks as well after 34 years .
 
Nice Steamer gos some for 34 yrs old looks well looked after and polished
 
I nice model but it looks like Aster got the gearing way out since the top speed of the real thing was 15 mph and usually only ran at walking pace.
 
She can certainly sprint along well enough for a 34 year old?

Must have improved with age....
 
funandtrains said:
I nice model but it looks like Aster got the gearing way out since the top speed of the real thing was 15 mph and usually only ran at walking pace.

Hi funandtrains, I take your point and I won't blame Aster.
When you are on the main line and you have a 'budding' top link behind you closing fast with fourteen bogies on the draw bar, you have an urge to 'let 'er run'!
Do you think there are too many handbags in the flower beds now a days?....
 
main131 said:
funandtrains said:
I nice model but it looks like Aster got the gearing way out since the top speed of the real thing was 15 mph and usually only ran at walking pace.

Hi funandtrains, I take your point and I won't blame Aster.
When you are on the main line and you have a 'budding' top link behind you closing fast with fourteen bogies on the draw bar, you have an urge to 'let 'er run'!
Do you think there are too many handbags in the flower beds now a days?....
I'm not sure I even understand half of that!
 
A really nice model , certainly can " scoot " along . I don't think it holds the Aster Shay speed record though. On the internet I have seen an Aster Western Maryland #6 with 70 cars in tow, chasing an Aster Southern Pacific GS-4 "Northern" on a parallel track and doing a fine job of holding it's own . The main line was 600 foot long loop , so they could really let them run !

Charles M :)
 
She's in beautiful condition and still looks like a teenager! You have given her much love and care. The vid is excellent, but it's amazing that she can move that fast. :)
 
Aster Shay still steaming well after 34 years.
Pretty engine but rather basic by modern standards. No axle pump or drain cocks and restraints with the size of the fuel tank and water capacity so a bit hard work driving.
Still not bad for 34 years young...the engine and not me, I wish!
Watch the old girl on you tube
745b3de58af045d7b8ec48a71c9dcd08.jpg
 
Hi
Just got hold of the Shay No 6 you would not happen to have any imstructions for this beauty, I am new to this hobby I have had it converted for 32mm track, however my other trainsa Steamlines Shay and Roundhouse Fowler are butane fired so no meths or blowers to tend with
Any assisteance will be great
Thanks in advance
John Pakes
 
These older Aster locos usually need some TLC before you can get them running again, unless, of course, it HAS recently been run.

The problem usually lies in the wicks, of which there are usually three in the older models like yours. The wick material needs to be changed for what is call ed 'Superwick' material, and the burners repacked in such a way that the new wicks are not too tight that they form a solid mass, or too loose and fall out - when inverted.

Let's assume that this has been done, and move to the firing up. You WILL need a blower fan - actually a suction fan. Meths, if that is what you intend to use, will be burning in a firebox, and needs a draught of air to keep going after light-up. They cost around £40 or so, and can be obtained from Geoff Calver at Rushford Barn [Google Rushford Barn] and a few other suppliers of Gauge 1 live-steamers.

So, in order -

a. Fill up the boiler to about half way using the tender pump. Then, having gotten the water into the boiler, fill up the tender again to maintain a ready store of water.

b. Fill up the meths tank about 3/4 full, and turn on the tap about 1/2 way. The meths will travel along the clear pipe to the burners, fill the bowl and dampen the wicks. Give it a minute to soak the wicks, then turn on the blower, and using a gas torch, light the burners up. TAKE GREAT CARE!!!! Meths burns with an invisible flame!!! You should be able to feel the heat [and smell] of the meth from the stack as the draught is drawn through the boiler.

c. Look inside the cab - there will be a throttle, and right next to it, another control wheel, this is the loco's own blower, and it uses steam exhausting from the stack via the blower pipe to induce a draught. As soon as the loco pressure gauge hits around 1.5 - 2 bar, open it up slightly so that you can hear it, and remove the fan blower. The pressure should quickly rise to working level of around 3 bar or so.

d. Put the loco in gear, and open the throttle. If nothing happens, this is because of water condensing in the cylinders. Operate the gear in each direction and they will soon clear and the loco will start to move. NOW, close the loco blower. Practice stopping and starting remembering that when you stop, there will be no draught, so you must use the blower while stationary.

e. Keep a VERY close eye on the water level, and don't let it get lower than 1/3rd of the glass. the Shay is a VERY busy loco, and will use water at an impressive rate. Mine needs a top up - little and often, about every hundred FEET.

When the loco starts to slow down for lack of fuel, let it do so, or, turn off the fuel tap and let it run down.

My best advice to you is to join the Gauge 1 Model Railway Association [G1MRA], where even now well over 50% of models are meth fired, or ethanol, if you can get it.

Your Shay, unless seriously well-cared for, will be a very tired little loco, and may well need some TLC before running as in in-case. There is nobody better at this than Geoff Calver, IMO. If you do make contact with him, tell him I sent you.

Watch Youtube for short vids of this little loco doing its thing, usually at ridiculous speeds - remember that the average track-speed of any Shay was around 7mph, hauling HUGE loads.

tac
G1MRA

PS - Trevor's original post - #1 here in this thread - has a link to a movie. In it, John Squire and I got this old gal going like a, uh, train.
 
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Many Thanks for the reply, only wondering if possible

1) remove meths burner replace with butane ceramic burner
2) convert original tender to butane tank
3) accuire 2nd tender and fit water axle pump and use as water tender
4} Fit remote control to regulator and reverse, blower would be redundat as now using butane

are any of thses possible
 
Great confusement here in rural East Anglia.

You say you want a second 'tender' - so which Shay do you have?

The Alishan Shay #6 - a two-truck little 28 tonner, or the three-truck Western Maryland #6 - a HUGE device that already has a water tender - hence the three-truck nomenclature.

Whichever model it is that you have, you are talking about a massive and costly rebuild from one form of firing to another, with a few goodies thrown in for good measure. Good luck with a second tender, BTW - maybe thirty years ago, but now?

Anyhow, the man to talk to is John Shawe Steam Services, a man well-known in Aster circles for his conversions from electric to steam [!!!] and conversions of meth to coal-firing. Also as well-regarded for the same type of work is Roger Marsh, who lives in Shrewsbury. Both are regarded as live-steam 'royalty'. It was he who converted Main131's Aster NYC Hudson from electric to coal-fired live-steam.....and also, I bleeve did the same to his Aster AD60 NSW Beyer-Garratt.

Totting up your wants, I quickly get to a figure of around £2000 or so quite easily, perhaps a tad more, even without the 'second tender' and associated drive train unit.

IF it is the Alishan Shay you are talking about, I have to admit that it's going to be the strangest version of a Shay on track with a tender behind it. What's wrong with doing what some folks have done with the new, gas-fired version, and putting all the extra gas and r/c gear in a trailing boxcar? That's assuming that your loco can actually be converted the way you want in the fust place.

Over to you.

tac
OVGRS
POCRR
G1MRA
 
Great confusement here in rural East Anglia.

You say you want a second 'tender' - so which Shay do you have?

The Alishan Shay #6 - a two-truck little 28 tonner, or the three-truck Western Maryland #6 - a HUGE device that already has a water tender - hence the three-truck nomenclature.

Whichever model it is that you have, you are talking about a massive and costly rebuild from one form of firing to another, with a few goodies thrown in for good measure. Good luck with a second tender, BTW - maybe thirty years ago, but now?

Anyhow, the man to talk to is John Shawe Steam Services, a man well-known in Aster circles for his conversions from electric to steam [!!!] and conversions of meth to coal-firing. Also as well-regarded for the same type of work is Roger Marsh, who lives in Shrewsbury. Both are regarded as live-steam 'royalty'. It was he who converted Main131's Aster NYC Hudson from electric to coal-fired live-steam.....and also, I bleeve did the same to his Aster AD60 NSW Beyer-Garratt.

Totting up your wants, I quickly get to a figure of around £2000 or so quite easily, perhaps a tad more, even without the 'second tender' and associated drive train unit.

IF it is the Alishan Shay you are talking about, I have to admit that it's going to be the strangest version of a Shay on track with a tender behind it. What's wrong with doing what some folks have done with the new, gas-fired version, and putting all the extra gas and r/c gear in a trailing boxcar? That's assuming that your loco can actually be converted the way you want in the fust place.

Over to you.

tac
OVGRS
POCRR
G1MRA
 
Hi
The old shay deserves to stay as it was made. it was a kit shay and the original builder sprayed it all matt black, I can see the original red paint. on the bottom rails & buffers so I will strip it down and return it to its original condition.

One last question painting the train (not the boiler) in a shed what do you recomennd?
Thanks for all the input
 
A number of people of my acquaintance have repainted older models like this, only to find that the paint literally falls off after a couple of steamings. This is because the older paint has gradually gotten impregnated with oil and math vapour residuals and makes the worst possible undercoat imaginable. You'll need to dismantle it using the original kit instructions, in order to do a proper job and do it justice - I guess you don't have them, right? The paint itself needs to be any good heat-proof enamel - even what we call stove paint - and THAT is heat-proof, and it needs to be baked on.

With almost 1500 pieces - many of them positively minute - this is going to be a h*** of a job, and I wish you luck.

You might try the boss-man of Aster UK, Andrew Pullen, one of life's good guys, to see if he has a set of plans that you could buy or borrow, or Geoff Calver over at Rushford Barn - Google it - that's the name of the company he runs. Both are helpish to an extraordinary degree. Whoever you speak to, tell them I sent you, and good luck.

My own unasked-for opinion is that you should just hand it over to Geoff and let him to do the whole thing - I doubt it would cost more than around £500 or so, and it would be a wonderful sight afterwards and it would work properly, too. After all, he does this all the time, and you don't, right?

tac
 
A number of people of my acquaintance have repainted older models like this, only to find that the paint literally falls off after a couple of steamings. This is because the older paint has gradually gotten impregnated with oil and math vapour residuals and makes the worst possible undercoat imaginable. You'll need to dismantle it using the original kit instructions, in order to do a proper job and do it justice - I guess you don't have them, right? The paint itself needs to be any good heat-proof enamel - even what we call stove paint - and THAT is heat-proof, and it needs to be baked on.

With almost 1500 pieces - many of them positively minute - this is going to be a h*** of a job, and I wish you luck.

You might try the boss-man of Aster UK, Andrew Pullen, one of life's good guys, to see if he has a set of plans that you could buy or borrow, or Geoff Calver over at Rushford Barn - Google it - that's the name of the company he runs. Both are helpish to an extraordinary degree. Whoever you speak to, tell them I sent you, and good luck.

My own unasked-for opinion is that you should just hand it over to Geoff and let him to do the whole thing - I doubt it would cost more than around £500 or so, and it would be a wonderful sight afterwards and it would work properly, too. After all, he does this all the time, and you don't, right?

tac
 
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