Greg Elmassian
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The opening shot shows a train moving with several door open... that looks dangerous to people inside and people on a platform!
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Coaches for the Stirling Single
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Rhinochugger
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Yes, in general the independent companies used 6-w bogies on Dining Cars, but going back to that train behind the Stirling Single, they wouldn't all be Dining CarsThe 4-wheeler (2nd coach) could be maroon or teak? There's a Midland 4-wheeler in Pinterest [what is that site for anyway? You can see it on google but have to sign in to view?!?]
When I googled "Midland Railway Coach" images, I got several pictures of coaches with 6-wheel trucks, like this one. They were quite common on heavier vehicles.
http://www.rocarmodelcarriages.co.u...don-midland-and-scottish-railway/lms-gallery/
(This photo shows up when I edit, but not when I 'save'.)
I believe many of the teak coaches got a coat of maroon (crimson lake) paint later in life - many only returned to teak in preservation. So it would be possible to see the Single pulling an all-maroon train of 4-wheel, 6-wheel, and bogie coaches. I haven't found many pictures of clerestory GNR Teak coaches, though there's a Directors saloon on the Bluebell Railway. More likely, a few GNR teak coaches and some Midland maroon bogie coaches would be a good compromise.
(Googling "Great Northern Railway" does get you a lot of USA pictures from the GN.) Some other interesting pics here
also the clerestory roof ends are unlike the MR versions, and curve down in a similar way to a Jackson Sharpe coach, but slightly less blunt - not a duckbill though. I'm still with the Highland Railway on these having found a 4mm:1ft build blog on good ole' Google.As to the 4-wheeler, mmmmm
it has a different roof line, and a crest on the middle door so yes, could well be a Midland carriage and would most likely be Maroon (Crimson Lake) 
Rhinochugger
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Yes, and some other European countries - as Fred said, there were originally three classes of travel on British Railways, and in the pioneer days, third class was an open truck
the sort of thing that tourists pay extra for now 
Fred2179G
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Yep, and that's how you gain an extra couple of seconds on your commute! (There's a later shot of a guy jumping off while the train is still moving.) When waiting, you learn not to stand too close to the edge of the platform.
Fred2179G
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The other photo shows the similar coaches:Yes, in general the independent companies used 6-w bogies on Dining Cars, but going back to that train behind the Stirling Single, they wouldn't all be Dining Cars
As to the 4-wheeler, mmmmm
US clerestories were often terminated like that - and there were some USA Pullmans imported for use on the Midland.
Rhinochugger
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Ooh, and there's a banker at the rearThe other photo shows the similar coaches:
US clerestories were often terminated like that - and there were some USA Pullmans imported for use on the Midland.
Greg Elmassian
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OK, Banker only means a man/woman working at a bank to me... is there another source of motive power at the end, or is "banker" like "banking a fire"?
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Banker:
An additional loco pushing at the rear - pretty well essential to get those large wheeled locos going from stand, especially with a load like this!
The loco at the rear would not be coupled to the train and would just drop off at a pre-determined(!) spot along the line, when it was considered that the train had gathered sufficient momentum to continue solo.
An additional loco pushing at the rear - pretty well essential to get those large wheeled locos going from stand, especially with a load like this!
The loco at the rear would not be coupled to the train and would just drop off at a pre-determined(!) spot along the line, when it was considered that the train had gathered sufficient momentum to continue solo.
Rhinochugger
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Fred2179G
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Yes. And notice that the 3 coaches with the curved clerestory don't have continuous footboards/steps, like the regular coaches - suggests they are the US import Pullmans?Ooh, and there's a banker at the rear
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To get back to our regularly scheduled programs. . . I emailed IP Engineering to ask about the 4-compartment coach kit, and Ivan replied that it is 345mm, or 14 3/8" to us non-metric yanks. The Bachmann coach is 13" long.
This isn't surprising, as IP's coach is 1:19th scale, and we think Thomas is around 1:25th. People are still the same size, so IP's coach needs to be wide enough for 1:19th people. That LGB 3050D Coach might be a better bet at 1:22.5, if I really need a different coach.
This isn't surprising, as IP's coach is 1:19th scale, and we think Thomas is around 1:25th. People are still the same size, so IP's coach needs to be wide enough for 1:19th people. That LGB 3050D Coach might be a better bet at 1:22.5, if I really need a different coach.
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I was searching for something this afternoon and what did I find - my carriage drawings book of LMS and LNER coaches. It not only has 6-wheel MR (Midland Railway) coaches, but the 48' clerestory bogie coaches, and clerestory coaches with tapered ends and 6-wheel trucks.
It is noticeable (which I had forgotten) that despite all the doors, most of these coaches had corridors for access to the lavatory/restroom.
It is noticeable (which I had forgotten) that despite all the doors, most of these coaches had corridors for access to the lavatory/restroom.
PhilP
G Scale, 7/8th's, Electronics
Rhinochugger
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Wey hey
and that identifies the 6w bogie cars as West Coast Joint Stock - now I sharrafter to find out where the GN routes were 
But Greg will be wanting to borrow the book
Rhinochugger
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You've been watching too many Carry On films - meet me at my convenienceThat's convenient!
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Railways @ 1.435 mm/ 1.000 mm/ 750 mm and 45mm
Opening the doors was standard on the "Stadtbahner"-Type of Berliner S-Bahn - look at 0:50 and at minute 08:15.
People were just more disciplined...
Andreas
Fred2179G
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Yes, but they used sliding doors - which the Brits adopted to replace the "slam" type. Much safer for the folk on the platform!
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It probably also identifies the time of the photo, as the big WCJS coaches weren't built until the early 1900s, while the clerestory stuff is all 1890+.Wey hey
But Greg will be wanting to borrow the book
I doubt Greg wants to make a really detailed model of the protoype, but the drawings are useful for figuring out if "Clarabell" is anywhere near the same scale as "Emily".
I did take a look at a Midland 6-wheel coach dwg, which shows it is 30' long (body only) or 14.4" in 1/25th. I mentioned that Clarabell is 13" long, so the scales aren't too far out.
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Greg Elmassian
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To be clear: I want a "reasonable" consist of cars, I'm flexible on the period/date. What I have determined so far is that the cars sold with "Emily" are the wrong type and color.
I really like the cars with the "duckett", and the teak looks beautiful, more work, but beautiful.
If I could make a consist close to the picture above, that would be cool.
Greg
I really like the cars with the "duckett", and the teak looks beautiful, more work, but beautiful.
If I could make a consist close to the picture above, that would be cool.
Greg
Rhinochugger
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Mmmmmmmmm difficult to find in any garden railway scale. Garden Railway Specialists have severely reduced their range, but they do have an odd coach or two in their G45 range which might assist
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