Garden Lighting

Hi Nick, no, not QP98F; N17DH, was the one I was planning to use, there was a reason, but I cannot remember now what that reason was, but it wasn't price. Anyway, as I said, it is only a drawing board exercise at the moment, but may start to come to fruition when I get back to the UK, and will likely get revised during the process, and based on what you found in the specs for the QP98F that may well get used instead.
Relays, in profusion, I have in stock, ranging from low voltage single pole on/off pcb types, (1960's aircraft auto-pilot computor technology!) through various voltages up to 28v multi-pole aircraft units. These latter relays will actually work on 12v, but I use them with an 18v supply (because I happened to have a 24vac transformer and a bridge rectifier looking for something useful to do) for live frog and mimic board indication switching on the 4mm layout, controlled by point motor mounted micro-switches. These relays are effectively in 2 parts, the relay itself and a rack mounted socket with a moisture seal, into which the relay plugs, meaning that a relay can be replaced without disturbing the wiring and resist moisture ingress, and as they will operate on 12v, I had one of these in mind for this application.
Thanks for you input anyway Rick.
 
If using relays..
Just watch the coil impedance (and related holding-current).. Else all your power may end up holding the relay in, so limiting the running time of your lights.
 
Here is a visual of what I was speaking of in my post #19

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Been working towards a solution to the provision of solar power - battery - light sesnsative sw - lights, and have developed the below schematic for myself, and it is, as yet, only a drawing board exercise, but if it is of any use to anyone..........

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I have requested info from Maplins by e-mail, re the max current capacity of the switching circuit in the light sensative sw but have not received a reply, so until I can get to a Maplins and either look for myself or corner a member of staff, I am assuming that it may not be sufficient to handle the estimated lighting loads, which I think will be in the region of 5 - 6 amps, so have incorporated the relay to carry those loads, and use the LS sw to drive the relay.
The solar panel has an open circuit voltage of 22v but I do not know the wattage (it measures about 14" x 10" so is not going to be anything very much) and I have used it on a boat in the past to keep the batteries topped-up without a controller, but I have decided to incorporate one at this stage to be on the safe side and to allow for a possible future uprgrade to a bigger panel with a higher wattage output.
The battery too may get upgraded from the one I have listed, to one with a greater Ah rating.

Very interested in that option, however not being that familiar with the logics used in Electrical Circuits I have some of the symbols that because they are not anotated confuse me.
1 can I assume that the 12v is the Battery?
2 what is the TB, choc strip?
3 I assume that the little handey things are the LED's?
4 as the resistors r2 and r3 are 'to be determined' how would I do that on the assumption that I may use such a setup for 15-20 LED's around buildings and lamps in my Garden Railway?

Sorry to be a pain, but I am really quite keen to do something like this and you have done a great job with supplying details of many Stock Maplin bits which are so easily accesible.
JonD
 
Valid point Phil, I had overlooked the fact that I would be operating from a battery source rather than a mains power source.

Jon,
1 can I assume that the 12v is the Battery? Yes
2 what is the TB, choc strip? Yes, choc block or any other type of terminal block,
3 I assume that the little handey things are the LED's? Yes - the base of the triangle is the anode, connected to positve, the long bar, on the battery, and the LED cross-bar is the cathode, connected to negative. An easy way to remember which pole is which on battery symbols is; the negative is a dash, the positive is the two dashes that make up a + the upright dash being laid horizontal next to the other one, thus - and --
4 as the resistors r2 and r3 are 'to be determined' how would I do that on the assumption that I may use such a setup for 15-20 LED's around buildings and lamps in my Garden Railway? I do not proffess to being able to do the calculations from memory, I use an on-line calculator and the link below will take you to one that also has a good tutorial on LEDs, there are others. My schematic was simply that, it wasn't a wiring diagram showing all the lamps or LED's and so no resistor values, as this will depend on how many LED are in use and in what configurations, again the tutorial part of the below link is very useful. You will need to know the characteristics of the LEDs that you are using, which is why on the schematic I had listed the forward and reverse voltages, the forward current and the power of that particullar LED, one which i generallay use for interior lighting and porch/canopy lights, other LED's will have different characteristics, the ones I use for signal spectacle lamps for instance, are different and will effect the value of resistor to be used. The other thing to remember is that each sub circuit is in parallel with the others, regardless of the configuration of the LEDs in the individual sub circuits.

www.electricaltechnology.org › Basic Electronics
How to Calculate the Value of Resistor for different types of LED’s Circuits Formula for finding the value of resistor(s) to connect LED’s in Series ...


The variable resistor set to give an output, in my case, of 3.5 volts means that in some cases I will not need a resistor. The variable resistor can be set to give an output voltage to suit your needs. 15 -20 LEDs if all wired in series would create a substantial voltage drop across them, and a 12v supply would probably not be enough, let alone needing a resistor. But if like me each building is to be treated seperately with LEDs in parallel, or series, then resistors will be needed. In practice when I come to do my lighting supply, I will probably calculate each individual circuit, insert the appropriate resistor, hook every thing up, turn the variable resistor to max, switch on and then turn the variable resistor back until all the lights come on or the resistor is at zero ohms with no or only some lights on. At which point I'll start reducing the value of the resistors in individual circuits until I get the brightness or effect that I want. Again without getting involved with ohms law the variable resistor will be whatever I have to hand, something like a 1 Kohm probably. Another thing I generally do with buildings is provide them with a plug and a matching socket on the 'foundation' making removal of the building easy; however, if like ours your buildings get put away for the winter you will need to devise a means of plugging or covering the socket.
Now if all this reads as if our railway is a profusion of lights after dark - it aint, not yet anyway. The buildings generally have the LEDs installed but are not yet powered. The only exeptions being a wayside station which, as an early experiment, uses the bits from 2 garden lights; the 2 solar panels wired in parallel and inset into the platform surface, supplying 2 AA cells in parallel, and controlled via the printed circuit board from one of the lamps, feeding an interior light and 2 under the canopy. (The batteries and pcb are mounted inside the building). Works reasonably well but as the panels are getting old and even though I occasionally polish them with car paint restorer, plus they tend to be in the shade for part of the day, which doesn't help, the batteries have to be replaced every couple of weeks, especially when the nights are longer. There's a signal box which at the moment has an interior light and just a 2 cell AAA battery box with a switch, and the 4 signals ditto.
Sorry, this has gone on a bit. but as I said, it is all just theory at the moment and the practical aspects have yet to be proven. When I get started on the implementation I'll try and keep people advised on the success or otherwise, or somebody else beats me to it!
 
Very effective Madman, even in daylight. I see the estate owner is sitting on the bridge surveying their domain. :)
 
By "handey things" I thought maybe Jon was referring to the light bulbs rather than the LEDs?
 
Ah yes the filaments - misunderstanding - as Jon was asking about resistor values, I was only thinking in terms of LEDs. Yes, the bottom symbols are filament lamps and would be 12v in this instance.
 
Very effective Madman, even in daylight. I see the estate owner is sitting on the bridge surveying their domain. :)


Yes, that's Bailey. And it is his estate. I am just one of his minions.....:mm:
 
Cats apart, If I use 12v led lamps, I won't need a resistor - n'est ce pas?
 
Cats apart, If I use 12v led lamps, I won't need a resistor - n'est ce pas?

Correct..
Because if it is a '12V LED lamp', then it will already contain a suitable resistor, to make then unit suitable for running from 12V.
 
Very effective Madman, even in daylight. I see the estate owner is sitting on the bridge surveying their domain. :)
Merlin, many thanks for your most comprehensive reply. I think I am now equiped to have a shot at this.
JonD
 
You're very welcom Jon, good luck and I'm betting you beat me to it; then you can tell me what I got wrong! :-)
 
Correct..
Because if it is a '12V LED lamp', then it will already contain a suitable resistor, to make then unit suitable for running from 12V.
OK, so I'm looking at an IP65 photocell daylight dusk 'til dawn switch.

It's designed for 220/240 v and will handle 2 x 400w tungsten lamps !!

I'm therefore assuming that it'll be OK with 6 leds at 0.4w on 12v DC
 
OK, so I'm looking at an IP65 photocell daylight dusk 'til dawn switch.

It's designed for 220/240 v and will handle 2 x 400w tungsten lamps !!

I'm therefore assuming that it'll be OK with 6 leds at 0.4w on 12v DC

This will be an 'electronic' device, and will be powered from the incoming mains it switches (probably).. So not suitable to be run from your 12V. - Though it *might* be possible to work out how it works / is powered and 'fudge' it..
Of course, as soon as you go into the device the warranty will be void!
 
This will be an 'electronic' device, and will be powered from the incoming mains it switches (probably).. So not suitable to be run from your 12V. - Though it *might* be possible to work out how it works / is powered and 'fudge' it..
Of course, as soon as you go into the device the warranty will be void!
Nooooooooooo, that's not the right answer :tmi::tmi::tmi:

OK, so I've got to go and see if I can find a 12v daylight / dusk switch :nerd::nerd::nerd::nerd:
 
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