Hornby 00 P2

Could be a shelf ornament for me I must admit.

Why do I find the 2-BIL so attractive too? I don't 'do' Southern....but that tempts!
 
Do you share the SR MU fixation with Lavvies ? " 2 BIL avatory. 2 NOL avatory etc ? I fancy the Brighton Belle Amber set.
 
Narp - not lavvie obsessed, but becoming EMU obsessed

Got a 4-CEP for only £75 from Faversham.... did you know they were tried out on the Tyneside 3 rd rail before they gave up on it.....ahem. Thought not.

Couldn't build a kit to that standard, and the wheels and motor would cost more. The Sentinel is nicely grabbing my attention too.
 
Did you know the LBSCR had overhead AC until the grouping and then it was abandoned in favour of the 3rd rail because the LSWR had much more electrified track mileage ? Some, if not all of the Motor car chassis were used for the 25ton SR bogie brake vans

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New Haven Neil 2 said:
Narp - not lavvie obsessed, but becoming EMU obsessed

Got a 4-CEP for only £75 from Faversham.... did you know they were tried out on the Tyneside 3 rd rail before they gave up on it.....ahem. Thought not.

Couldn't build a kit to that standard, and the wheels and motor would cost more. The Sentinel is nicely grabbing my attention too.
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Neil,

Was over at Faversham (my local hobbyshop) yesterday to collect some goodies - got one of the new O1
2-8-0s - need something decent to haul all the coal wagons I've accumulated over the years and a Great Eastern section B17 - my grandfather was a fitter at Lowestoft and might have worked on the loco - at least thats my excuse.....

Also pre-ordered the P2 and 2BIL -looks as though there is some good stuff due out next year - yipee.
 
Woderwick said:
Did you know the LBSCR had overhead AC until the grouping and then it was abandoned in favour of the 3rd rail because the LSWR had much more electrified track mileage ?
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I didn't think it lasted as long as the grouping, shortly after WW1 I thougth it disappeared - OK, I suppose 1923 was close enuff :nerd:

Back to the 2BIL - I've always been miffed about the way that UK manufacturers have starved the southern modeller of EMUs and DMUs. When you look at the Japanese N gauge offerings, and now, when I'v done away with all indoor railways, there's EMUs coming up all over the place :Looser::Looser:
 
I did, Wod, actually, always had a soft spot about electrics due to being born near to the Harton system. Didn't know about the vans though.

'My' Tyneside never got rid of the 3rd rail in the 60's, so no holds barred - the 2-EPB's are almost correct bar the brake section, the 4-CEP is an indulgence (extention of 3rd rail to Sunderland?) and a 2-BIL wellll they were transferred up as the old NER units gave up the ghost? Sod it, I've ordered one.

Keith, jealous of the 01....I can't afford them all! There were some at Tyne Dock, used on the iron ore before the 9F's arrived, with the air pumps et al.
 
Well well, who would have thought it Cock o' the North, !!
I think it will be a winner for Hornby, ( providing of course that as a company they are not hit too hard by their recent misfortunes)
And the Duke of Gloucester 71,000 a brave move indeed considering that there are only 2 possible variants ( early and late crest) at least with the P2 there were other locos in the class, so the sales base can expand.
And the 2 BIL I am involved with a Southern based 00 layout so I know that will be welcomed.
would also welcome an N gauge version for my N gauge Southern region layout!
 
Rod,
Hornby are switching back to three- pole motors. Five-pole was used for better analogue control, but with a decent BEMF decoder, the three-pole is up to the job. Apparently, Bachmann always had three-pole motors. It seems like penny pinching to me, but then Hornby would never, ever, ever do aything to harm their customer base (would they????).
 
Tim Brien said:
Rod,
Hornby are switching back to three- pole motors. Five-pole was used for better analogue control, but with a decent BEMF decoder, the three-pole is up to the job. Apparently, Bachmann always had three-pole motors. It seems like penny pinching to me, but then Hornby would never, ever, ever do aything to harm their customer base (would they????).
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4-VEP ??
 
in general, the 3 poles have flywheels, so will be fine. The 4 VEP....less said the better, but I am assured the lesson is learned!
 
I read last week in the Telegraph, that Hornby are going to bring their manufacturing back from China;- it is now too expensive. Just hope Hornby remember that for some of their new models spare parts are like rocking-horse droppings!!! Alyn
 
New Haven Neil 2 said:
in general, the 3 poles have flywheels, so will be fine. The 4 VEP....less said the better, but I am assured the lesson is learned!
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I thought the number of poles made for easier/smoother starting.

I once had one of the 7 pole motors, carn't remember who made them - open frame type thing which could have been used to replace a standard Triang/Hornby jobbie.

Oh, and 4-VEPs don't count for anything anyway - they were never green :Looser::Looser:
 
Hornby's new design's are reducing the number of individual parts to be fitted to each model, with them already molded on. I guess this is to reduce labour costs and with the newer molding techniques won't make much difference to the appearance.
 
Rhinochugger said:
New Haven Neil 2 said:
in general, the 3 poles have flywheels, so will be fine. The 4 VEP....less said the better, but I am assured the lesson is learned!
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I thought the number of poles made for easier/smoother starting.

I once had one of the 7 pole motors, carn't remember who made them - open frame type thing which could have been used to replace a standard Triang/Hornby jobbie.

Oh, and 4-VEPs don't count for anything anyway - they were never green :Looser::Looser:
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Really with more modern design and appropriate gear ratios, the additional expense isn't worth it. I think most if not all Bachmanns have 3 pole motors, and all mine run beautifully. Those old XO4's only had 15:1 reduction...eek!

Point noted and agreed about 4-VEP's. My CEP is green.......and so is the ordered 2-BIL.
 
Rhinochugger said:
I once had one of the 7 pole motors, carn't remember who made them - open frame type thing which could have been used to replace a standard Triang/Hornby jobbie.
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Think I've got one of those lurking around somewhere - it has big round brushes rather than squares. Always thought it was made by Romford, but not sure about that.

Come to think of it, I think I installed it in my lad's el-cheapo Percy model when he was a nipper, 'cos the damn thing's original motor blew. It was a much better runner with the big old motor. In many ways I wish Hornby had stayed with a "proper" chassis like the good old Triang "Nellie" models rather than changing to plastic carp, but no doubt the old chassis was expensive to produce.
 
Thy could take a leaf out of KATO's book. Their N stuff is simple, smooth and sloooow. Their 6 axle stuff, drive and pick up to and from all 12 wheels and flywheels too. Split chassis and all of the stuff held together with only 2 screws.

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Reading the two spec's between the lines, am I right in thinking that the railroad version will be tender drive... Loco drive is listed as a plus point on the more expensive one, but not one the cheaper, so I imagine it might get a version of the same old scotsman/mallard/blahblah tender drive.

Need to put one on my 2013 christmas/birthday list, and have to decide which one just it in case it needs preordering....

J.
 
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