How old are these?

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Railways and Diesel preservation, American cars
One for the LGB Gurus really. I've never owned any LGB items until now, but I picked these up at auction last weekend. Thing is im having real trouble dating any of them. As far as I can gather, one of the HSB locos is a 2080D and one is a 2080S (the one with the treadles underneath for the sound, right?).

The Stainz is a bit harder. It does say 2020 underneath, but I cant find any reference to a stainz carrying the number 1. Can find loads carrying number 2 though! (Am I just looking in the wrong place?)
*edit - bear with me..cant add any images!*
 
You might find a little sticker underneath, with a six figure number on it.

That is the date code; the first and last numbers being the year and the middle numbers are the day and month....
 
The narrow coupling, the accessory sockets, and the moulded No 1 on the Stainz, along with the metal rods, make this quite an elderly model, and I think about the 70's.

On the 2-6-2, again, fairly elderly. Both have the older 4 figure cat numbers. Later items have 5 figure ones.

But being LGB, they should be serviceable enough for many years to come....
 
Thats what I was hoping. The 2-6-2's both have a few issues (minor stuff, missing lamps etc), but they all run absolutely beautifully.
One other thing...the sound on these things..is it mechanical? I only ask cause when I press one of the plungers underneath the sound fitted one, it seems to slow down dramatically, and sound like its *trying* to make a bell sound.
 
The 2-6-2s are probably early 1980s. The "S" surfix is the standard code for a sound loco up to the 90s. The Stainz is late 70s. In the 80s as well as the current LGB type couplers the card boxes changed from yellow to red.
The plungers work the bell and whistle and they work with a ramp that clips into the track. The sound is analogue and OK but far from the what you get now with digital. You need a PP3 9v battery to get it to work properly which is under the toolbox on the right hand side tank.
 
funandtrains said:
The 2-6-2s are probably early 1980s. The "S" surfix is the standard code for a sound loco up to the 90s. The Stainz is late 70s. In the 80s as well as the current LGB type couplers the card boxes changed from yellow to red.

Excellent. Thankyou.
The plungers work the bell and whistle and they work with a ramp that clips into the track. The sound is analogue and OK but far from the what you get now with digital. You need a PP3 9v battery to get it to work properly which is under the toolbox on the right hand side tank.

Thanks. The whistle one works fine, but the bell is wierd. Hard to describe..but it definitely makes the loco 'labour' and slow down. As if its trying to load something up in order to ring the bell, if that makes sense? Theres a bit of a squeal at the same time as well.

Thanks for the responses everyone. Much appreciated.
 
yours might be a very early one then as some actually had bell that was struck mechanically to make the nose i believe Paul (minimans) is your man for more info
 
wandgrudd said:
yours might be a very early one then as some actually had bell that was struck mechanically to make the nose i believe Paul (minimans) is your man for more info

Now that would make perfect sense. Thankyou :bigsmile:
 
I bought a Stainz 1 as depicted but with a large red rear lamp and a straight chimney, and a slightly darker green in 1976 - still in service. My impression at the time was that the apple green version with the spark arrester and the better clear rear lamp was its successor.

GH
 
Dave,
your Harz locomotives are very early, most probably mid-1970's. The body is distinguished by not having the skull and crossbones marking on the water tanks warning people not to drink the water. Only the very early models did not have this feature.

The Stainz is also mid-1970's, distinguished by the general lack of gold plated pieces. In the late 1970's LGB started plating everything on the locomotive. The number #1 on the cab generally is depicted by a straight smokestack, not the balloon stack fitted. This may not be an original fitting but replaced at a later time. #1 on the cab was deleted mid-1980's.
 
Didn't have time to look properly but the 2080s is a very early example and if you remove the body you will find a mechanical bell under there!! so yes very analog! you can also tell it's early because of the "hook" it's much straighter than later examples. this would have been fitted with delayed start as well. to allow shunting with smaller Loco's this one is fitted with a resister to make the starting voltage higher so it will sit still while the shunter makes up the train, if you look on the outside of the motor block between the drivers you should see a resister sticking out of two holes, if you remove it or it blows the loco will not move! but you can bypass it with a jumper to remove the delayed start feature.
 
Hi Dave,

I take it these were the ones at Astons last Saturday? The schomea I picked up from there also had the plunger on the underside to get the horn to work. they really are some good old examples of LGB.
 
Rather than start a new thread I thought I'd jump on the band wagon (hope you don't mind Dave)

I too bought LGB at auction on the weekend. A little impulsive but it was pay day and cash was burning a hole in my pocket.

I saw a brown Crocodile and thought I'll igve it a shot. well I goto it and I have no idea about it can some one fill in any blanks, like that the symbol in the right hand corner of the sticker means, or what the switches in the cab are for? there are no stickers on the bottom to identify the age?

I may regret buying this as It does not go with any thing else I own but thought it looked cool.

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Taken a look agt Greenburg's guide and....as it has red roof insulators...

Tis either a 80-81 (D) or 81-84 (G) model.

Do the pantos have a single or tho contact bars? If single then its 80-81 otherwise 81-84.
 
That is really old Croc but looks like still in reasonable condition. The symbol is just an old German standard logo a bit like the old BS kite symbol.
 
Hi guysthanks for the quick responses, it has two contacts on the pantograph, so I guess that answers that question, Thanks.

She is in great order for something about as old as me, no signs of damage at all, very little wear, the only thing I have spotted wrong is one buld does not work. not bad considering how many it has,

Last questoin does any one know what the two switches do, I tried them I think on isolates the motor, as the lights work, but does not move, the other seems to do nothing?
 
Possible a switch between track or catenery power.
 
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