I would like some advice about measurements and scaling for 3d printing.

That wagon looks much larger than 1:32, but hard to tell.

Since you have a loco, you can research the height of the doorway and measure it to see if it is the right scale.

The guy lying down on the white tie looks to be 2-1/8", scale up 1:32 = 68 inches.... so 5' 8".

So what is the height of the prototype door on your loco?

Greg
 
i knew, why i asked in another thread to "please don't ask about scales", but here we go...

most important question: what is average?

figures in 1:32 have hight of:
British made Britains 51mm to 55mm
" Timpo Toys 53 to 55mm
German Elastolin 54 to 56mm
Safari 1:32 figures 54 to 60mm
Italian and HongKong 1:32 figures are between 49 and 53mm

they all represent "average" persons.
average to what? or to where?
180cm/1800mm in 1:1 yes, in the US and northern europe, but not everywhere.
in latin america, southern europe and asia 160cm/1600mm is more like "average".

185cm :32 = 57.8mm
180cm :32 = 56.3mm
175cm :32 = 54.7mm
170cm :32 = 53.1mm
165cm :32 = 51.6mm
160cm :32 = 50.0mm

so for practical use i accept all figures as "normal" on my layout, that are between 50 and 58mm tall.

Igor's figure is 53mm long, that is a normal 170cm person.
if that person does not fit into the entrance of the loco, i suspect, that the loco is underscale.
and my suspiction grows, when i see, that his alu track is only 43mm between rails. what makes it 1:33.5 scale.
(in 1:33.5 the entrance to the loco shown would be about 180cm high.)
 
Here is my suggestion. Instead of using your precious raw material to make track that may of may not be right, get a piece of REAL 45mm gauge track. Just one 300mm length is enough - Although LGB, PIKO, Tillig and Train-li make track in shorter sections, too.

In real life, the track gauge is 1435mm. If 1/32nd is your chosen scale, then adjust your figure scale accordingly.

This same track can also be used to replicate metre gauge. This then represents 1.22.5 scale.

Or American 3 foot gauge - 1/20.3 scale. 15mm representing one foot imperial measurement.

Or, roughly, 2ft 6in and British 16mm scale - or 1/19th.

There is another scale as well that uses this track, but you have not shown any interest in it, so I'll leave it for now.

BTW, even by UK standards, the 'Terrier' is a very small locomotive for standard gauge. That's why is was called the 'Terrier' - a small, usually somewhat frantic type of dog.
 
Hard to tell, but this guy in a Terrier does not look real tall:
terrier-steam-engine-kent-and-east-sussex-railway-tenterton-kent-england-BB9JRE.jpg
 
Here are a couple of easy to convert figures - and yes, the LB&SCR A1 Class locomotive, AKA 'Terrier', IS a tiny loco even by British standards.

The wheelbase is just 12 feet - 3657mm

The driving wheel diameter is just 4 feet - 1219mm.

THAT ought to make things easier for scaling.
 
So the figure shown before that was 2-1/8" tall is 5' 8" in 1:32 and he filled up the doorway in the Terrier model. From actual pictures, I would submit that the Terrier model is not to 1:32 scale... that doorway looks small, you would think it would be close to 5' 10" or 6'...

So, the figure is "average" height / 5' 8" in 1:32 and the terrier model shown has a smaller doorway... so either that model is different from the prototype picture or not in scale.

So Igor, you might check your dimensions on your loco. Should not be difficult to find a prototype drawing of the doorway and the loco itself.

Greg
 
A good image - using the dimensions provided gives a cab opening from floor to top of exactly 72".


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Specifications
Driver dia.48 in (1,219 mm)
Wheelbase12 ft (3,658 mm)
Length26 ft 0 1⁄2 in (7.94 m)
 
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Thank you all for your replays.

I can assure you all that my track experiments are exactly 45.0mm/1.771 inch in between the rails, everywhere.
Max deviation/tolerances: 44.8 to 45,2mm.
The ruler was not flat at the tracks when taking the picture.

I had to do some homework before posting :blush: (vids, docs and specs)
The terrier is indeed a very small and very strong loco.
Still alive and kicking. Wow, i thought it was turn into scrap, like my great grandfathers loco.

Even smaller (and stronger?) than our "Bello" loco.
Bello in full glory:
Bello was not a passenger train when she started her life(iron ore, coal), later on she become one.
I would love to have a terrier in the garden...1:1.:cool:

The print is indeed out of scale, it was designed to fit on a smaller printerbed 8x8 inch/20x20cm.
I think i will put in some effort to make her more true to scale.

All very helpful comments.
 
justme igor said:
Thank you all for your replays.

I can assure you all that my track experiments are exactly 45.0mm/1.771 inch in between the rails, everywhere.
Max deviation/tolerances: 44.8 to 45,2mm.
The ruler was not flat at the tracks when taking the picture.

I had to do some homework before posting :blush: (vids, docs and specs)
The terrier is indeed a very small and very strong loco.
Still alive and kicking. Wow, i thought it was turn into scrap, like my great grandfathers loco.

Even smaller (and stronger?) than our "Bello" loco.
Bello in full glory:
Bello was not a passenger train when she started her life(iron ore, coal), later on she become one.
I would love to have a terrier in the garden...1:1.:cool:

The print is indeed out of scale, it was designed to fit on a smaller printerbed 8x8 inch/20x20cm.
I think i will put in some effort to make her more true to scale.

All very helpful comments.
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Belo is indeed a cracking little loco, same valve gear as Stainz.

There are 10 preserved Terriers in UK. At any one time roughly 5-6 of them will be in Ticket I.E. able to run. There was a plan to get 8 of them together for a do either this year or next I think. Not likely to happen now. Of the preserved ones tee one at the NRM in York and one in Canada are unlikely to ever run again however the rest are fair game to be runners but unlikely all at the same time. They were built by the Brighton Railway (LB&SCR) and subsequently classed as A1 then got rebuilt to A1X though 2 are still in unrebuilt form. They were a popular Locomotive for Light Railways in the UK and my one is Portishead from the Light Railway that ran to Clevendon, they had 2 that subsequently were taken over by Brunel’s GWR. Sadly scrapped at Swindon. Some also entered Industrial service. The most well known last running location was the Hayling Island Branch and we have that line and it lasting to a very late date in BR Steam days to thank for a few of the survivors. This is a good summary of the survivors life:-

Preserved Terrier Locomotives

When people talk of the ‘Hayling Billy’, they often speak of it as one single locomotive or train, much as they would the ‘Flying Scotsman’ or Step
haylingbillyheritage.org haylingbillyheritage.org
 
The model locomotive, much like 'Bello', is alive an kicking as a Gauge 1 meth-fired live-steam model from Aster. Only second-hand now, ass they have been out of production for many years. Bram Hengeveld in The Netherlands, a well-known dealer in Gauge 1, would probably find one for you if asked. Expect to pay about eu1500-1800. Here is one of his T3 running in his backyard - toward the end of this movie -


Fleischmann also make a beautiful rendition in H0.


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abkpevt3.jpg
Specifications
Scale/Gauge: 1/32 scale, 45 mm gauge
Weight: 2.16 kg
Length: 271 mm
Width: 96.2 mm
Height: 130.4 mm

Wheel Arrangement: 0-6-0T (6 wheeler)
Wheel Diameter: 34 mm spoked type
Cylinders: 2 Cylinders made of Phospher Bronze, Bore 10 mm x Stroke 15 mm
Valve Gear: Allan Straight Link Valve Gear with Screw Reverser

Boiler Type: Type "C" with Two Fire Tubes of 12 mm Diameter
Water: 110 ml at 80% full
Pressure: 3 kg/cm
Fittings: Safety Valve, Regulator Valve, Blower Valve, Check Valve, Water Gauge and Pressure Gauge.
Lubricator: Roscoe Displacement Type

Burner: 4 Wick Tube Alcohol Burner
Fuel Tank Capacity: 50 ml at 80% full, a bush for Aster Utility Car is provided for longer periods of running

Coupler: European Standard Hook Coupler (Height 33 mm)
Minimum Radius: 0.6 m (Negotiable on an LGB radius)
KPEV%20T3%20Drawing.jpg
 
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