LGB Chen loco problems

ukjonathan

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Hi I just received my first LBG Chen loco from Grootspoor in Holland which I'm sure you are familiar with. I put it on a piece of track and connected power clip. When I turn the power up its sounds lumpy. you can hear the motor turning but not the wheels. It very much sounds like a car starter motor when the starter dog is sticking and not being thrown onto the main drive cog. I hope this sounds ok. When it does run its sounds lumpy and the moment you stop it won't run you just get the motor wiring noise. could it be the belt as I've looked up on the net and it mentions this or could it be the worm drive on the motor!? I've contacted Grootspoot in Holland but I think they only open Wednesday to the weekend. Thought it maybe something simple. Any help will be greatfully excepted. I'm new to this so sorry about that.

jnathan
 
Sounds like the plastic gear that the worm drives rotates on has chewed up by a previous owner.

The best thing to do is await grootspoors response, usually there very helpful and friendly.


However it might be possible to fix by swapping the front and rear drving wheels over.
However a previous owner might have already done this.

Dan
 
Hi Dan thanks,
I thought they would have tested it but I really like the loco . Anyway yes I'll wait to hear from them so thinks again
jonathan
 
This is a 2nd hand loco not a new one?
 
yes and I was going to get a Stainz but I liked the look of this one and it was more than the Stainz. They are not open until Wednesday so I'll see what they say. looks like it will go back I guess.
Jonathan
 
By the way, it's "LGB-chen" as in "little LGB".
 
it is a nit is a nice little loco so the name makes sense and like I said it's a pity. I really thought though it would have been tested and especially with it coming all this way
jonathan
 
Yeah they are cute. Reason I asked if 2nd hand is whether it's the old belt-drive mechanism or the new all-gear drive. Anyhow, should have been tested before dispatch.
 
When I found out it was belt driven I thought had I done the right thing. I hope they don't expect me to pay the postage back there and back here f they want to repair it. They say in their site that the buyer has to cover postage so I'll have lost a good bit if I do. Anyway see what happens and I may look kcal for an engine.
 
Ah, so it's the 20140 O&K loco ?

Tip it upside down, and carefully remove the cover plate. This will expose the mechanism. First, check that the motor is pushed tightly into the frame. It may have come loose, and the gears are not meshing. Check that the gear on the driven axle has not stripped.
 
hi the gears and belt look ok but the motor seems to be just sat in. The worm on the motor looks ok too so I can't understand it. It's got me baffled.
jnathan
 
I think I may have found the problem. There is a ball bearing at the back of the back shaft but the worm seems as if the fronts not seating and it's not meshing. should there be a ball bearing at the front motor spindle ? if so there is not one there. It looks also as if it's just been greased and the splits on the axles look new.
Jonathan
 
agree with Gavin, provided....you know what to do.

with the risk of being Captain Bringdown,

once you open it, should the seller find out, you run the risk that the seller will declare the 'fault' due your action, and , voila, its yours, regardless. BTW parts are difficult to obtain.

I too imagine the motor is not meshing with the gear on the drive axel. perhaps a knock or fall in shipping, as I am sure too it was tested. speculation only, but, perhaps a screw hole has stripped allowing the motor to float above the rear axel gear. perhaps it was simply dislodged from its cradle and the centering pin on the motor into the frame was slipped.

FWIW, I have 8 of these, all old style, belt driven. and they all have performed well. But..I only pull 2-3 FRR sized (very small and light) cars, for the above concerns.

Since you mentioned a stainz, while my advice is free, and well worth what you pay, LOL, these LGB -chen (aka FRR steam locos) , are one of my favorites. They are not designed for medium duty no less heavy duty or prolonged running. A stainz, in good condition, otoh, is quite the robust and powerful small loco, but not as cute.

The reason for the concern I express is.....these FRR locos (diesel and chloe Olomanos too) only have the loco driven by one worm gear to one axel gear. The belt moves the second axel, but only from turning the rear axel.

FYI vast majority of LGB locos have double ended motor worm gears. This single worm in essence doubles the wear on the axel gear. (in fact I can only think of the drasine and the electric cog loco as having a single worm).

This is why it is advisable not to put much in the way of load on these locos, and, to always allow the wheels to be able to slip under load-saves the axel gear to some extent.

Should you be given a choice when you contact the seller, I might be reluctant to have one of these locos, new or old style, as my primary work horse loco. To add further to my happy thoughts and good tidings, these locos can be persnickety on points, and are persnickety on less than very clean track, in my experience. Otoh, they are wonderful, charming and amusing, and unique. But I thought id give you my observation, if it is of interest to you. best of luck

ill check for a ball bearing for you. I dint think these have them....but im not certain.

update. I just hit the bench and took the bottom plate off my green FRR steam loco to help you. Yes there is a thrust bearing ONLY toward the back end of the loco, away from the worm gear end.
 
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When it arrived it had moved in its box. It was to one side and not centred as it should have been and had broken packng where it should have been. . I think it's been damaged in transit. It's a pity but I've packed it back up and I'll wait until Wednesday until they contact me and then I'll send it back.
I'll let you know what happens and thanks again.
jnathan
 
If it locked-up...
Could one axle have 'jumped' a tooth on the belt, and the quartering be out??
 
Could the lumpiness be damaged rods rather than motor/drive-belt? If it's been bumped about in the packaging.
 
If this is (basically) the same drive as the other Feldbahn 'mini' loco's.. Then I have found they are 'lumpy' at slow speed. - Which is what you want to run them at! :banghead:
 
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