LGB New items 2011

Chris M said:
You pays your money and you takes your choice. All companies live or die by getting the right product in the market at the right time and the right price and it is up to them to get it right based upon their cost base and their market intelligence.
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Beautifully put. :thumbup:

My personal view: I hope Marklin prosper this year. As Stockers has already indicated, the more manufacturers out there, the better. If each meets a market segment, everybody's happy.
 
I hope Marklin prosper this year. As Stockers has already indicated, the more manufacturers out there, the better.
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Yep, the more healthy manufacturers the better the hobby. I would love to see them all doing well.

The problem for all manufacturers in all of the model railway business is that you have to keep bringing out new models because, once people have got a particular model they don't tend to want another one the same ( with some exceptions such as our Holt). For instance I am unlikely to buy any new locos until Aristo or USAT bring out a new diesel model because I have one of each of the ones I like.

Which brings us back to LGB do need to invest in new moulds in order to get buyers to part with their cash and help to make the company profitable. If Piko can keep coming up with new models of the right prototypes they are going to get the sales, even if they are not as detailed as LGB.
 
Chris M said:
Which brings us back to LGB do need to invest in new moulds in order to get buyers to part with their cash and help to make the company profitable. If Piko can keep coming up with new models of the right prototypes they are going to get the sales, even if they are not as detailed as LGB.
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Well, it looks like they are. we have the Kof diesel shortly and now it looks like this Saxon 6 wheeler. Both interesting models that should fit in with the current order of things LGB.:thumbup:
 
Regarding metal wheels, maybe i could of worded it better, but put quite simply, why can a brand, other than LGB, that is cheaper, fit metal wheels??????? (epiollized (or whatever) or not). The fact is, they do. PERSONALLY, if i am going to spend £160 on a coach, i think metal wheels should be standard, as they are on a £35 wagon from say, Bachmann or Lilliput. And 798.03, yes it is whoopeeee, to me when i get metal wheels. Problem??????? I am 6ft tall, the trains run on the floor, i could not really give a damn if the interior seats have grab handles on them etc because i cannot see them down there anyway. As someone else has stated, LGB has pretty much lost me as a customer too, i was priced out years ago, and had to go American, i have the odd LGB wagon, via sales on here admitted. But i am no dedicated LGBite.

Someone mentioned Ryanair, and i have to agree, it is a bit like a bus service, but considering their flights last for about 2 hours, i dont want a meal, dont care who i sit next to, dont care how much leg room, and i dont want a meal on the flight. Its only two hours!

I shall say no more on the LGB subject, for fear of getting beaten into the ground by what would appear to be millionaires. I do not however, enjoy been bated with words such as whoopee!!!!! (because i expect metal wheels on high priced items) This is not the place to take the p*ss out of me with Whoopees.
 
Disregarding all the comments about quality etc. If the rumors are true then a new Loco or two from "LGB" are to be welcomed. I thought that I had got all I want, but that twin loco may just be a must have for me. On a practical side it should be a fairly easy one to make. Corpet Chassis with adapted Stainz valve gear.They only need to do a new body and away they go. I will watch this one with interest.
JonD
 
well i just hope this doesnt scale out to a war again..... but as always, its not just lgb, but have a look at some hornby prices. then compare with bachmanns'

its the same with every scale.
 
There should be no need for war. This has been a reasoned debate so far.
Please keep the thread on the subject of trains and do not get personal.
 
Why do these threads always degenerate into personal attacks or even mild baiting? As my mum always says if you don't have anything nice to say about someone then don't say anything!!
also why compare in the first place? I ain't a millionaire by any means but after being in this great hobby of ours for more years than I care to admit yes I prefer to buy LGB when I can as I like what I have and see no reason to change. I just buy less and grab a bargain when I can. but I don't think anyless of someone who can only buy a cheaper alternative, were all here to play trains with what we can afford. It's a hobby not life or death................................Enjoy what you have and enjoy others trains as well.........................After the last year of troubles in life I don't have time for the bickering afforded by these threads anymore.........................................Paul......................
 
To me the IK seems a strange choice as it's already available from two other sources and not a widely known prototype. I suppose the new build loco must be proving popular in German, a narrow gauge Tornado effect? It does make sense to do the small loco though as the bigger Saxon locos would end up in the Harz 2-10-2 price range! If they were to duplicate some other manufacturers loco of this size I would have thought the Harz 060 twins would have been a better choice. There are two numbers to produce and the Harz is very popular. I think the value question is mainly due to the exchange rates and material costs. Piko have certainly impressed with their cheaper Rotcamel but not with steam locos so far.
 
Personaly

I dont think it matters on price, as someone can always find money for somehing they really want... be it they have a good pension or income or the better option for most of us is to sell something thats been at the back of the top shelf.. so there for new product equals a better seconhand market, a better second hand market means lower resale, and lower resale means more trains in my shed..


Enough Said
 
Can we talk about this somewhere else please? This topic is for the new items. Thanks.

First prices:

20980 sächsische I K Vorbestellpreis 539,00 € Liefertermin: 1. Quartal 2012
20990 sächsische II K Ep. I Vorbestellpreis 899,00€ Liefertermin: 1. Quartal 2012

http://www.huntis-modellshop.de/shop2.html

Normal prices:
20980: € 559
20990: € 939
 
Deutsche Reichsbahn said:
First prices:

20980 sächsische I K Vorbestellpreis 539,00 € Liefertermin: 1. Quartal 2012
20990 sächsische II K Ep. I Vorbestellpreis 899,00€ Liefertermin: 1. Quartal 2012

http://www.huntis-modellshop.de/shop2.html
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Thanks DR. A full year to save those pennies before the locos hit the streets!
 
Oooh that's not bad actually - a full year to save too, I'm going to start a special account and put away £50 a month :)
 
I think the whole issue of mould making is improving with CAD design and manufacturing. Also, manufacturers do realise that detail is requested by thier customers.:bigsmile:
Looks like the old overdraft is going to get another hammering.:thumbup:
 
Be interesting to see how they look as these are the first new models that the old LGB have had no input on im guessing? Will they add more detail, use standard parts (such as drives) and have that LGB look about them?
 
True Gareth, but the Zillertal and Spreewald are both at the £480 mark. So whilst this is certainly not cheap, it is comparable. With a few discounters this should be well under the £500 mark.
Anyway - nice new loco. We could have lost LGB altogether - at any price.:bigsmile:
 
Tis as fair point Alan. Maybe I'm just tight, but I'd like to see small LGB 0-6-0 types priced at around the £350 mark.

I did expect the new loco to be priced above the £500 mark so I was pleasantly surprised, just not enough to part with my cash.

Who knows with the fluctuation in exchange rates and discounted offers you could well pick one up for around the £435 - £450 mark. Even a tightwad like me may be tempted. :bigsmile:
 
Chris M said:
It is wrong to assume that LGB are always the most expensive - USAT wagons are more expensive than the equivilent LGB American wagons in the UK.
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The probable reason for the USAT price being as high as LGB (MLGB) wagons is that the importing process and shipping from the States is more costly than from mainland Europe. (of course they all come from China)
I have bought LGB wagons and a few locos (all American outline ) but only bought them as second hand as I find LGB new prices too rich for my pocket. People will pay more (the ones who save and wait or those with long pockets!) for LGB and they also love the brand and will defend it to the hilt as can be seen on most threads where comparisons with LGB stuff is made.
I have invested quite a few 1:20.3 Bachmann spectrum locos and Accucraft locos and wagons as well as USAT and Aristo kit ( some new, most used) and would dispute that LGB offerings are any more detailed or stronger built (eg. compare the LGB Uintah/Sumpter Mallet to the Bachmann 2-6-6-2 or Aristo 2-8-8-2). The problem with more scale detail is, that whilst it looks great and makes for much more realistic photies, it does also mean that the loco/wagon inevitably becomes more delicate and has to be handled a trifle more carefully...ask an oo gauge devotee who loves detail as well.
It is good that Marklin are now solvent and that LGB lovers can again look forward to more kit to lust over but like Chris, the LGB American debacle and price structures, importing costs etc etc has meant that I did not carry on investing in their products even though they were mostly good. We American outline fellas are lucky to still have four companies catering for our needs at various price levels with pretty high to very high quality.
Europhiles have to mostly rely on two ...and I am talking electric powered here so LGB will always probably be the one that gets most support there.

Maybe rambled on a bit here but, hey...........
 
well i am known to my MLS counterparts as a 'red box brigade member'
that being said
i have always thought LGB rather pricey-even on close out
i have always thought LGB is toy-like often, and
i know all too well it will become outmoded-if it hasnt been already
i have always had to compromise in terms of liveries, accuracy, proportions etc etc
i have always perceived that US models were somewhat second rate to european in terms of details and premium features-(perhaps due to market issues)

all of this has been made palatable simply due to the reliability
and a perverse love of LGB and of its 'german toy aspects'-
not unlike a hornby or lionel lover

having grown up with 'problem children locomotives', in terms of performance, much of my train loving life
all LGB shortcomings are forgiven and undying loyalty established because LGB unfailingly ran for me-heavy use, foul weather, or after long hiatus stored-and was beautiful, high quality, well engineered and durable-just a 'feel good' item for me- no rust-no loose parts, no chipping paint or other stuff to manage

my original bachman shay -with defective make power trucks , reminded me of the value of not having to fuss with on more thing in life that was for my pleasure


i would welcome new LGB offerings-(and i have already more than i should-embarassingly so)
but

i am more than sceptical about Marklin in terms of quality, service and price


only once the product is out, prices have settled and value is 'evaluated' then will i consider parting with more $$$

right now seeing prices of MLGB, not even thinking of it
haivng seen the most recent incarnations of the Silverton and Durango yellow coaches,for example, -with very poor, toy-like finish and printing-not as nice as earlier incarnations-not a chance at present prices-simlarly over 400 US for streamline coaches that not so long ago were easily had for around $200 -$250-i just dont know what they are thinking
and re-reading this post
i think that LGB offered what must have been a luxury item in a market that really couldnt support this long term once lower price competitors cut into sales
 
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