Lyd2 diesel in 1:22?

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Well after building my Lxd2 kit from Blauturm last year, and despite having 7 G-scale projects on the workbench already, I've been doing some more day dreaming...

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The Lyd2 diesel is another Eastern European narrow gauge diesel hydraulic. Built in Romania for gauges from 600mm - 1045mm (IIRC) it saw widespread industrial use in Poland - and these days can be seen on preserved railways across Europe. There are even at least four in the UK (3 at the WHHR and 1 at Whipsnade).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PKP_class_Lyd2

Now finding a drawing has proved to be a little difficult and I'm still hunting (anyone know of a better one than this)...
http://www.interlok.info/Lyd2.htm
But I've made an interesting discovery (that will need ratification later).

The axle spacing of the Lyd2 is 1100/1300mm with unequal spacing. Remember that...

The HF130C feldbahn diesel that LGB already make and can be obtained fairly cheaply split from the Wangerooge set is an oddball. It's about 1/18 scale and massively too large compared to any of my other stock. I'd always pondered bashing an OBB modified cab on to mine, that was a comprimise 1:20ish size to blend into my other rolling stock.
The axle spacing of the prototype HF130C is 900/900mm. At 1:18 this would scale out at 50mm - I need to check this out (or can someone else).

If it is 50mm, then if I divide 1100/50 I get... 22. Yup that would mean if I built a Lyd2 at 1:22 (the same as my Lxd2 and 2095 and U-class) then it could use the LGB chassis with no modification!!

What do people think?
 
It's very odd that you should post that just now, James....
Considering that I haven't seen a pic of that particular loco type before, it is REMARKABLY similar to something that's been on my workbench for a little while now - a "coming together" of an LGB 0-6-0 diesel chassis (not the HF130 type, but the old 2062 type) and the cab plus long hood of a V51/52!
There was I thinking that it was a completely freelance job that just looked nice, and now here (near as dammit) is the prototype. :bigsmile:

Watch this space..... ;)

Jon.
 
Having looked at some more photos I think that ideally it would work in milled styrene as per the Blauturm kit - that would make the long hood easier to construct - and the cab too... I'm pondering asking a few manufacturers to see if they'd be interested in taking a commission on as I don't have the equipment to do this myself - but if not I don't think it would be too difficult to do myself with just careful cutting, filing, scoring and using formers on the inside to get the cab shape for example.

I look forward to seeing some more pictures of your creation Jon!
 
If you are ever in Porthmadog, then you should visit the Welsh Highland Heritage Railway http://www.whr.co.uk/ as they have 3 of these locos there.

They are very large machines for 2ft/600mm gauge and certainly dwarf the other stock there....
 
I'll try to snap a quick pic of my project later today - bear in mind that it is freelance, and is in no way an attempt to build a Lyd2 - because I hadn't seen a pic of one till you posted it this morning! It is just surprisingly similar in many ways, even to the overall cab shape with the roof overhangs front and rear....

Jon.
 
OK, here are some quickly-snapped piccies of the bare bones of my project: this is just the unaltered body perched on the unaltered chassis; the plan is to make a longer footplate to take the hood and cab length (making the loco about 3/4" longer than the 2062 chassis donor), and all-new bufferbeams; I'm also trying to decide whether to do some partial side "skirts" with step cutouts, like those on the V10C, or leave the sides below the footplate open like the Lyd2. Hopefully you can see from the photos why I was so surprised when James posted the photo of the Lyd2, both the cab and hood shape are very similar, and the 6-coupled chassis with whizzy counterweights looks the part too (though it doesn't have the rear jackshaft of course).
The old V51/52 body is one I bought recently from a fellow forum member - I bought the dismantled loco mainly for the motor blocks, the body was a "free" bonus! It was already repainted in the two-tone green, which will get oversprayed, though I've not yet decided on the final colour.
The chassis-donor 2062 was acquired quite cheaply from Germany - and shortly afterward another one sold on UK eBay for a very paltry figure, these locos don't seem to be very popular at all.

Anyway, here are the pics:

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Jon.
 
Jon that is insanely close to a Lyd2! I'd never thought of using a V51 as a base model - I think the work on the cab and bonnet to make a true Lyd would warrant starting from scratch for me though. Thanks for sharing these :)
 
jameshilton said:
Jon that is insanely close to a Lyd2! ..........
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Yep, isn't it just? :bigsmile:

Given that I'm quite happy with it being a freelance model, I'm certainly not going to worry about the differences - I just think it'll make a really nice chunky diesel shunter model, the similarity to the Lyd2 is just a bonus (and something to point out to any sad rivet-counters who don't like freelanced models!). Sound decoder and BIG speaker are all lined up for it - I've got all the space under the hood to play with, because the 2062 chassis has its weights at the ends of the gearbox, behind the bufferbeams, all below footplate level. Seeing the Lyd2 pics, and the ideas in this thread, have given me a burst of enthusiasm to push on with this (workload permitting!) - so watch this space for further progress!

Suggestions for final body colour are welcome, by the way - the chassis is going to be sprayed all black.

Jon.
 
Thanks for the link, James - blue with a white stripe does seem to be quite a popular choice for the real locos!

Jon.
 
If anyone visits the W.H.H.R. railway work taking a look at the lights in the cab, the shades when I last saw them had a strange "Double arrow" design on them, these where originally fitted at the 23rd August Locomotive Works in Bucharest, Romania. Diverted or left over from another batch of locos being built under sub-contract from Brush.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_56
 
The June 2013 issue of Continental Modeller has a drawing of the Romanian built Faur Lyd2 diesel. Now I have queries over it's accuracy as it seems a little short in some dimensions (bonnet, and some chassis details) but the wheelbase and cab are accurate.
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Some time ago I pondered using the LGB HF130 diesel as a basis for a Lyd2 in G-scale. I contacted a few small scale kit manufacturers to see if they could help laser cut or mill some parts for me but no one was interested or the costs were prohibitive so I'm back wondering if it's possible to achieve a high standard in styrene with some etched brass overlays.
With that in mind I printed out and then scaled up to 1:22 the Continental Modeller drawings as I have an electronic subscription to the magazine so I can download pages as PDF. I then cut one of these up to allow me to play with the proportions to better fit the chassis. Here you can see the result, and at the bottom is an unmodified drawing...
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I think the shortening to better fit the chassis is a comprimise I'd be happy to make, so when the Kof is finished and I have some more modelling time I'll strip down the HF130 and make a start on the chassis.
 
I have spoken with Allen at Worsley Works and he is happy to scale up his 009 1/76 artwork to 1:22 - only the cab initially as I intend to scratch build the bonnet. This engine will be tackled in the new year once I clear a few 009 engines off my work bench :)
 
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