Massoth Evo Drive Point Motors

duncan1_9_8_4

duncan1_9_8_4

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Afternoon. Has anybody tried the new Massoth Point Motors? I'm thinking about starting a gradual replacement of my motors from LGB, and the associated Decoders, with their miles of wires. Just looking for opinions first, and whether you think to build quality will live up to outdoor long-term LGB standards?
 
I have not used them, but don't you have a problem with 'dumb' point-motors failing?
Never mind with added electronics..

At least with a separate point decoder, you can mount it up off the ground, in a building, for protection.

I might try one, as an experiment, but don't think I would commit to a wholesale change.

YMMV, of course.

PhilP.
 
PhilP said:
I have not used them, but don't you have a problem with 'dumb' point-motors failing?
Never mind with added electronics..

At least with a separate point decoder, you can mount it up off the ground, in a building, for protection.

I might try one, as an experiment, but don't think I would commit to a wholesale change.

YMMV, of course.

PhilP.
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The points have been fine since I did every last fish plate to a rail clamp.

Same, I think I will trial one first....
 
duncan1_9_8_4 said:
Has anybody tried the new Massoth Point Motors?
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Not used the Massoth Evo point motor/decoder.

But have used the MXion DWA point motor/decoder -

It has 2 wires to connect to the track.
The internals are well protected from any water ingress such that it is impossible for water to enter the unit.
It is a slow action drive.
It is simple to program.
It has outputs for other uses such as frog polarization and indicators.
The blades are locked in position so trains cannot push through when the point is set to the wrong direction.
It is cheaper than the Massoth.

Alan
 
Most of my layout has LGB switch motors - however, I've got x4 Mxion DWAs and x1 Massoth EVO-S. It was installed around this time last year near the dampest point on the layout (near the waterfall). They're pricey but the advantage they have over the Mxion DWA slow-throw is they can still be 'pushed through' which given that point approaches the pond I didn't want to risk derailments.

Happy to answer specific questions if you have them but generally been happy with the 1 I have.
 
AlanL said:
The blades are locked in position so trains cannot push through when the point is set to the wrong direction.
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In my garden railway experience that is actually a disadvantage.

Way back when I started out (in pre-EPL times) I installed a couple of non-LGB point motors that could not be trailed through.... I quickly found that while I would follow the safe-working rules other operators just would not.... and there were inevitable derailments, which were getting in the way with the pleasure of running the railway.

Nowadays I am more relaxed about strict safe-working and prioritise good overall running over strictly prototypical operation. YMMV.
 
Software Tools said:
In my garden railway experience that is actually a disadvantage.

Way back when I started out (in pre-EPL times) I installed a couple of non-LGB point motors that could not be trailed through.... I quickly found that while I would follow the safe-working rules other operators just would not.... and there were inevitable derailments, which were getting in the way with the pleasure of running the railway.

Nowadays I am more relaxed about strict safe-working and prioritise good overall running over strictly prototypical operation. YMMV.
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We use Air ooeration here, no trailing of points. All operators are asked to ensure all points and signals are at normal once a station has been left, this means that new train arrivals need to think about where they are going and ensuring that the point orientation is correct for the mives they are going to undertake. Yes we get the odd run-through but as speeds are low (scale 20kph max) little damage is done.
 
I bought a pair of the S version, for to try and to the spring back option, should have been the X version, I found out later, Or if I have transposed the version, then forgive me. I have them set up to swich to loop and revert to main line after 20 seconds or so, but I did also lock them which prevented them been pushed through, causing derailments. So I have abandoned that idea and set them to push through, but as I said I did want them to auto spring back but got the wrong ones.
 
With the MXion DWA, I didn't realise that they couldn't be pushed through, that is why I mentioned that drawback. As Curtis has mentioned a good application is on a pair of crossovers.
If the Massoth EVO series is as well protected as the MXion then it would be a viable alternative to loads of wires to each turnout.
AL
 
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