NEWQIDA EUROPEAN STYLE PASSENGER CARS RETURN FOR 2014

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Members may be interested to know that the popular European Style Passenger Cars made by Newqida for Hammond Toys are available once more from G Scale Online after a lengthy supply hiatus. Details of the new range are summarised below. I will also endeavour to list in the Classifies Section before they are listed on Ebay to afford members priority.

European Style Passenger Cars by Newqida Make a Welcome Return for 2014

The very popular low cost European Style G Scale Passenger Cars manufactured by Newqida make a long-awaited return and are now available in an expanded range of liveries.

They still come in “Harz” and “Saxon” styles but In addition to the attractive two-tone versions there are now coaches in authentic liveries based on three narrow gauge lines still operated in Eastern Germany by the SDG Saxon Steam Railroad Company: WEIßERITZALBAHN, LOBNITZGRUNDBAHN and FICHTELBERGBAHN.

These railways may not be that familiar to you and do not quite roll off the tongue as easy as HARZ but if you are looking for a prototype to model these cars might be just the job.

The model versions available comprise (availability shown in brackets):

N58021 Harz Style Weiberitztalbahn Green (In Stock) - http://www.gscaleonline.co.uk/epages/es116894.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/es116894_shop/Products/N58021
N58034 Saxon Style DR Green / Cream (In Stock) - http://www.gscaleonline.co.uk/epages/es116894.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/es116894_shop/Products/N58034
N58035 Saxon Style DR Blue/ Cream (In Transit) - http://www.gscaleonline.co.uk/epages/es116894.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/es116894_shop/Products/N58035
N58073 Harz Style Red / Cream (In Stock) - http://www.gscaleonline.co.uk/epages/es116894.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/es116894_shop/Products/N58073
N58100 Harz Style Fichtelbergbahn Green (In Stock) - http://www.gscaleonline.co.uk/epages/es116894.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/es116894_shop/Products/N58100
N58200 Harz Style Fichtelbergbahn Two-Tone Green/Cream - http://www.gscaleonline.co.uk/epages/es116894.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/es116894_shop/Products/N58200
N58201 Saxon Style Fichtelbergbahn Two-Tone Green / Cream - http://www.gscaleonline.co.uk/epages/es116894.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/es116894_shop/Products/N58201
N58211 Saxon Style Lobnitzgrunbahn Green (In Stock) - http://www.gscaleonline.co.uk/epages/es116894.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/es116894_shop/Products/N58211
N58212 Harz Style Lobnitzgrunbahn Green - http://www.gscaleonline.co.uk/epages/es116894.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/es116894_shop/Products/N58212

Initially I have only sourced a limited selection of passenger cars but you can always order your particular livery and I will try to obtain it for you within 10 – 14 days.
Demand could well outstrip supply so why not have a look at them now – just click on the product line above.
 
I went to Hammonds Toys website and checked out the liveries. Once again they 'stuffed' up the livery/roof moulding combination. A novice like me after just a few minutes viewing the SDG Fichtelbergbahn coaches on You-Tube could easily see that Hammonds could have made a 'near perfect' car by interchanging their body livery and roof mouldings. With their older 'DR' coaches I had to purchase multiple cars to get the 'right' look.

The solid green SDG Fichtelbergbahn only comes in the high arch roof version whereas it should be available with the sloping Saxon style roof moulding as on the green/cream version. The 'SDG' placard is placed towards the end of the car (just forward of the 'Fichtelbergbahn' logo) rather than centred on the car. Thus one would need to unnecessarily purchase additional cars to interchange roof mouldings.

The green/cream version with the Saxon sloping roof moulding should be the high arch roof moulding but it also has discrepancies. Instead of the 'SDG' logo centred on the coach side, it has the 'DR' logo. I could not locate any green/cream cars with Saxon sloping roof and the 'DR' logo and the 'Fichtelbergbahn' logo inplace. Also, the green/cream versions seen had 'BISTROWAGEN' at the opposite end of the coach to the 'Fichtelbergbahn' logo.

It is also prototypical to run solid green "DR' logo cars with the Saxon sloping roof with 'solid green 'Fichtelbahn' logo Saxon roof cars. Pity that Hammonds did not offer alternative roof styles to get a little more authenticity. My search of liveries and roof mouldings was not overly extensive so perhaps some cars as depicted may be correct.

To get a reasonably prototypical set I would need to purchase a pack of four high arch green 'Fichtelbergbahn' cars plus four green/cream Saxon roof cars and interchange the roof and endrailing mouldings, plus trussrods. I would then have four reasonably accurate green 'SDG' 'Fichtelbergbahn' cars with Saxon roof and four completely inaccurate green/cream high arch cars.

I do hope the build quality is better now than previous releases. I feel that with a few assembly changes Hammonds could have had some very nice cars. Alas with the cost of shipping the cars to me being far higher than when last purchased, I am reluctant to purchase multiple cars just to get a few reasonably accurate cars. This is not a criticism of the Hammonds cars as I have several dozen in 'DR' and 'HSB' liveries.

The 'SDG' 'Fichtelbergbahn' eight window cars have an arched roof (not Saxon style roof), but not the high arch roof moulding as supplied on the seven window Hammond coach. The green/cream car which comes with the Saxon sloping roof should have the high arch roof supplied on the solid green car.


EDIT: after further looking I did find an arched solid green 'SDG' 'Fichtelbergbahn' liveried coach but it was eight windows in length and the only high arch car on the train was the guards van. The other cars were both six and seven window cars with Saxon style sloping roof.

Further edit: it seems the 'SDG' logo is centred on the six window cars, but as Hammonds do the seven window coach the 'SDG' logo is correctly placed just forward of the 'Fichtelbergbahn' logo.

Further, it seems on seven window coaches there is no strict rule regarding logo placement on the sides. On some cars the 'SDG' is placed between the second and third windows or third and fourth windows from the left with the 'Fichtelbergbahn' logo on the car side, not biassed towards the right hand end of the car.

Finally, the 'DR' green is a darker shade than the lighter green 'Fichtelbergbahn' liveried cars. Hammonds model the 'SDG' car in the older issue darker green 'DR' livery. Some prototypical cars have the 'DR' logo painted over with a lighter green patch and the 'SDG' logo added (as well as the 'Fichtelbergbahn' logo).

Hammonds could have supplied the green/cream livery car with the arch roof moulding and 'BISTROWAGEN' logo on the left side and had a reasonably accurate car (alas it has the 'DR' logo and not the correct 'SDG' logo applied).
 
 

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If you look further on that website there is a complete 'rivet counter' train.

As regards the Newqida coaches, I have purchased well over fifty Newqida cars from Hammonds, most for my own use, so do not have an issue with them. My point is that if Hammonds are going to the trouble to have paint masks made up for actual railways then why not go that one step further and attempt to make them reasonably accurate (assuming that they have a licence to market the prototype). A simple interchange of parts such as roof, end railing and trussrod interchange/removal would give a close enough approximation of the prototype seven window car. The high arch roof as depicted is only suitable for the Bistrowagen as the eight window coach has a low arch profile roof (much like a typical LGB four-wheel coach).

They have most of the parts available, so why not assemble them correctly. A four car pack is going to cost me around $300.00 Aud including airmail postage to Australia. To make a reasonably accurate four car set then I need a further four car pack with the Saxon style roof moulding, thus doubling my financial outlay.


EDIT: Now if you want something a little more closer to the prototype then the seven window 'Lobnitzgrundbahn' car in both Saxon style and high arch roof is close to the prototype. One could happily mix the Saxon style and high arch cars in the one train as per the prototype. Refer You-tube link.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIMVmujW7Lc
 
If you look further on that website there is a complete 'rivet counter' train.


Yes, wonderful isn't it? I'm going to model the Anorak Van, but the problem is I can't get metric plastic angle here in the USA! ;)
 
Martino said:
If you look further on that website there is a complete 'rivet counter' train.


Yes, wonderful isn't it? I'm going to model the Anorak Van, but the problem is I can't get metric plastic angle here in the USA! ;)
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They can't spell, or measure a gallon properly either, I am told!
;) ;D
 
I'd definitely have some of the dark green Harz style ones if they were available in a generic "data only" format, without the names of specific lines conspicuously displayed on the sides. Anyone know how easy it is to remove the printing without marking the sides? I seem to remember lighter fuel being recommended for renumbering 00 loco's.

Thanks,

Rob
 
Mossala Hill said:
.......... Anyone know how easy it is to remove the printing without marking the sides? I seem to remember lighter fuel being recommended for renumbering 00 loco's.

Thanks,

Rob
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On the originals removal of the printing was impossible without scoring the sides. However, they are easy to respray in your selected colours,
 
playmofire said:
If buying these coaches involves so many problems for some people, then why do they buy them?
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Take five stars Sir! Couldn't agree more.
 
Martino said:
Take five stars Sir! Couldn't agree more.
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I do not criticise those who like Playmobil (I also have more than a few samples) and likewise I am not criticising the quality of the Newqida brand. All I am stating is that Hammonds have the parts in their inventory to make more accurate representations of various railway liveries. They have incurred the production costs to make the items available so why not go one step further and make them just that little bit more accurate (some coach liveries are actually accurate as I pointed out).

Some are happy to run their toys in the garden and good for them, but there are others who prefer a railway in the garden and not a toy trainset.
 
I apologise Tim. My attempt at humour obviously was misplaced.

Rule 8 is paramount.
 
No apologies needed. When I quoted your reply I believed the response from the previous posting that you responded to would have copied as well.

We all want something different from our hobby. Some are happy to lay a circle of track on the grass while others want a 'railway'. Similarly, we want different equipment. Some are happy with stock ready to run and others like to make things 'right', relatively faithful to the railway they model.

To each his own. I was not criticising the QUALITY of the model only the manner in which it has been presented.
 
So..
As I like green, generally, and would *really* like less 'stuff' hanging off my loco's AND a more British feel to my (eventual) garden railway...

Can I get away with pretending the other side won in 1945, and that green stock with 'BR' on the side is British Railways?? !! ::) :P
;) ;D
 
Tim Brien said:
I do not criticise those who like Playmobil (I also have more than a few samples) and likewise I am not criticising the quality of the Newqida brand. All I am stating is that Hammonds have the parts in their inventory to make more accurate representations of various railway liveries. They have incurred the production costs to make the items available so why not go one step further and make them just that little bit more accurate (some coach liveries are actually accurate as I pointed out).

Some are happy to run their toys in the garden and good for them, but there are others who prefer a railway in the garden and not a toy trainset.
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First, Tim, may I offer you a double apology, first for the delay in replying to your post quoted here and, secondly, for the offence I have caused. My question was a genuine one and not meant to be a criticism of you. There are three problems conducting a conversation via computers. One is that when reading from a screen comprehension of the text has been shown to be a good deal lower than when reading the same text from a written document in your hand. Secondly, and this ties in with the first problem, it is more difficult to grasp the writer's "state of mind" (not the term I'm looking for but it's been a stressful day and though I've had the right word come to me a number of times during the day, it keeps slipping away.). The third problem relates to the writer, and in mentioning it I'm not suggesting that your posts in this topic reflect it, in that posts are often written quickly and not reviewed as a whole before posting, and may thus come over differently to the reader than the writer intended. (As I say, I'm not saying this is the case in your posts here - see below.) Bearing the first two of these problems in mind, overall, when reading this topic I came away with the sense that there was quite a feeling of frustration on your part at Hammond's failure to make the most of their product and, as a result, a failure to meet your needs unless you went to a lot of extra and unnecessary expenditure because of their shortcomings, and also then did a lot of swapping about of roofs and other parts which, again, would be unnecessary if Hammonds did their job better. That was why I asked the question.

One reason why I was slow responding to your post was that I copied and printed out your comments and read them through a number of times during the day. What you have set down would form a basis for a document that you send to Hammonds, asking them to look into your suggestions for more accurate production runs (they may be more amenable to the constructional suggestions than the printing ones as they would not involve additional cost, only assembling items in different combinations, but they may take on board the printing ones too.) It might be easier for them and their suppliers if you could add pictures of the more correct combination of parts to your text, and make the point, too, that more accurate reproductions would mean better sales.

Lastly, I agree with you there are different approaches to garden railways, each equally valid, although I do think that we are all probably after the same thing - an enjoyable and satisfying hobby. For my part, I'm afraid I'm still at the lay a track in the garden when I have time stage (or when, as happened recently, my five year old great-nephew Ben descends on us at short notice) although I do take the running a railway approach and am even getting Ben away from the "drive the train as fast as you can forwards and then backwards" over and over again idea.
 
Playmofire,
I happily run Playmobile on my railway. I have a few Playmobile videos on my You-Tube account (Gscalenut). I think that Playmobil provides a way to bond with grandchildren and allows both adult and child to enjoy the experience. I have around forty or so pieces of Playmobil rolling stock and a few locomotives (older track powered models) plus dozens of Playmobil people.

Then there are the times when I want a resemblance of the real thing and that is the reason I prefer to run something more prototypical. The Newqida cars provide that at a reasonable cost. Hammonds even state their new product has UV resistant printing so may stand up better to the rigours of outdoor running (not that I leave anything exposed outdoors).

My response centred around that while very good, the Hammonds Newqida models could be better with little to no additional cost to the manufacturer. I know that they had assembly issues with their previous release several years ago. The tooling was such that the end platforms were tooled to take specifically located end railings (the end rail mouldings were 'handed'). Alas, the assembly line workers were oblivious to this and most models were incorrectly assembled causing the end rail mouldings to distort.

Several years ago I was in the financial position that I could purchase numerous six coach packs of cars that were marked down as seconds plus received discounted shipping as a bonus. In reality, the cars were mostly unmarked. I did however, have to reassemble the cars as to how they were designed to be, not as the assembly line workers had put them together. Also, many parts were missing requiring a degree of cannibalising to achieve completed cars. Even after all this I am still a great fan of the product. Those cars that I found the livery application as unacceptable, I repainted for the Rugen line.

At that time I also considered having decals made to reproduce other narrow gauge German railway heritage lines. Thus, when the current releases were announced some months ago I was very pleased. The new releases have great potential and even more so if some of the models were a little bit more accurate. This would entail no new tooling, only a change to the assembly procedure. OK, some do not care how accurate the model is and would be more than happy to run a few coaches as supplied. However, the fact that more expensive models are available from some of the boutique manufacturers like Kiss, means that there is a market for more accurate models. Hammonds could have easily tapped this market at no real additional cost, just a few changes in the assembly procedure.

My suggestions were not intended as criticisms but more as suggestions as to how a more accurate model may have been presented. Perhaps most do not care, but I am sure that there are a few who would prefer a better presented replica of the prototype for the same cost.
 
I see your view and agree with you entirely, Tim. That is why I suggested that you send the analysis you have produced for this topic to Hammonds, stressing that if they followed your suggestions they would have a much better product at no extra cost. If they have any commercial sense, they will take your suggestions up with their supplier. (Sadly, if they do so their commercial sense may also mean that they put their prices up to reflect the greater accuracy of the product, but even then the coaches might still be a good buy.)
 
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