Over-critical so called customers .

mikanmart said:
The r/c's were made to look daft and even dafter by saying , mysteriously , that special steel ones were made but they could not divulge where or who for . They can never be wrong , you see .
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They could tell you but then they would have to shoot you :o
 
Wot's the problem?

If they don't like what a manufacturer makes, nobody's forcing them to buy.

The rivet counters can always go and play with T gauge and count the rivets on those models to their heart's content.

Personally I don't give a Castlemaine 4X. If a model is a good representation, and it looks good, I'll dip into my pocket (if there's anything there).
 
Let's face it, in this hobby, other hobbies and life in general, there are people who are a royal p-i-t-a!

The older I get, the more respect I get for my father in law, who at the age of 80 announced "now I'm 80 if I don't want to put with this sh*t, I don't have to". And he hasn't. Regrettably, at 86, he's forgetting which sh*t he's no longer putting up with, but that's life I guess.

I think life is too short to pay attention to such wastes of space. It's a crying shame that people are driven out of business by it.

Perhaps it's our PC societies that don't allow any one to say "I'm bored with you and your opinions. Please go away and never darken my portal again"
 
Well, all I can contribute - is Thank (your deity of choice) for the Internet. In WA (1/3rd of the size of the USA) there is only one shop specialising in our scale. There are other model shops,mainly smaller gauge,s which are handy for scratch-building materials etc. So buying new stuff is difficult - and expensive - although the chap who runs the store at Maylands will make you a cup of tea and talk for hours....

Point is: if I need anything I can't bodge myself, I have to go on the net and wait three weeks for delivery....which leads to a certain level and amount of improvisation - and bugger the rivet-counters!

Have a good'un, cobbers
 
If, going back to the original posting, we a talking about the maker I think we are then I think sometimes they have made a rod for their own back with their own attitude. There has been one time when a couple of products I bought, representing VoR stock, were shall we say a touch out of proportion when matched up to other offerings from well known makers, never mind the locos intended to pull them. When the anomaly was pointed out I was told they had got it right and all the others were wrong. I find it somewhat irksome when somebody tries to tell me black is white.

Now, the fact is their products are very good value (you get what you pay for, eyes open no complaints) and it did not stop me buy more of their product. Especially as with those I have never had anything else to weigh them up against for verification (what the eye does not see the heart does not grieve over). I'd agree that it is pointless quibbling over the finer points of "prototypical accuracy" with a budget product producer. But then again careful what you wish for as you would probably be pretty p****ed off you ended up with something that purported to be one thing but when married up to old pictures looked totally out of whack. Max.

P.S. With regards to some lovers of 7/8 ths. Don't ask me to go there and relate an exchange at an exhibition with one devotee when I made the simple comment, " getting popular these days, isn't it ?".
 
maxi-model said:
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P.S. With regards to some lovers of 7/8 ths. Don't ask me to go there and relate an exchange at an exhibition with one devotee when I made the simple comment, " getting popular these days, isn't it ?".
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Oh, go on Max, tell us about it - you know you want to! ;) ;)

Jon.
 
Zerogee said:
Oh, go on Max, tell us about it - you know you want to! ;) ;)
Jon.
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Weeelll Jon, now you ask. About 18 months ago I had just entered a well know large scale show at a venue not a million miles form the Fosse Way in Warwickshire. Before me was a small beautiful layout/stand dedicated to the 7/8 ths fraternity. I approached one of those manning the stand and uttered those fateful words, "getting popular these days, isn't it ?" Then mentioned the words Accucraft, IP, etc'. I was then subjected to a 5 minute diatribe about how all these "cheque book modelers" had come in and destroyed the only branch of the hobby that was the true home of the serious and capable modeler.........etc',etc',drone, excited drone, drone. Despite a couple of desperate attempts (create empathy) to placate the dear fellow nothing worked and bade my farewell and pottered on, shell shocked (I think a theme somewhere was the start of WW1). Great example to the casual enthusiast if they are the first you engage with.

I'm wondering if that might be a member of the clique who seemed to have cowed this particular manufacturer. I seem to see the hallmarks of their agenda ??? >:( :sleepy: ;) Max
 
Oh dear, Max - I sympathise, they really shouldn't let those people out to mix with the general public, should they...? ;)

Jon.
 
I've often though that a very small 7/8" setup, maybe something like a portable layout using Feldbahn mechanisms and some of Bertram "where DID you get that hat?" Heyn's lovely rustic Radius 0 track, would give me a great excuse to nick some of the Memsahib's 1/12 dolls' house stuff for super-detailing..... guess I'd better get the garden layout down and working before thinking too much about that, though.... ;)

Jon.
 
To me it's quite simple - I buy what I like and don't buy what I don't like. For instance I don't like all of this shortened stock but I understand that the manufacturers designed it that way to cater for the needs of the hobby and that most buyers are not bothered by this. I expect we all have our own little foibles that we don't like in a model. It is reasonable to politely point out to the makers that you don't like certain aspects of a model with the reasoning behind you views. By the same token we need to listen to what manufacturers say. That way we all learn and hopefully help future developments to be better.
 
oberinntalbahn said:
I think there are two points which should be borne in mind during this type of discussion:

1. Manufacturers and suppliers respond to customer demand.

2. If there had been no demand for better and more accurate models in the past then we would still be pushing wooden trains around on the living room floor.

There is usually a PITA to be found in all walks of life but, making a suggestion on how a model can be improved, should not automatically qualify someone for membership of that club.

Nigel

I still push my True Super Scale wooden models around the wooden NMRA track on the carpet .

You have also cleared up something that has puzzled me for some time , your use of PITA .

I now realise that it is not the Indian Cooking per se that gives me a PITA , but the PITA bread that accompanies it .

mike morgan
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I work on the theory of "If you don't like the look of it then don't look at it".

My other answer is "I'll advise the engineering dept and get back to you with answer of why that error has happened, meanwhile don't hold your breath waiting for an answer."

My railway is based on the LNER principle ie Looks Near Enough Right? (apologies to any LNER fans) ;) ;) ;)
 
"I work on the theory of "If you don't like the look of it then don't look at it"."


I use the same theory when it comes to the opposite sex :-X
 
If the post which started this thread is accurate, and I have no reason to doubt it, that is extremely disappointing, although understandable from the manufacturer's perspective.

I've got quite a lot of Ivan's stuff, and some from a number of the other "cottage industry" suppliers out of the UK; it's really how I got myself going when I got past the "buy a bit of fairly cheap RTR" stage. On some of it I increase the detail level, some quite frankly (Ivan's IoM) I simplify a little for what appeals to me. I still find them fun to make even though I now also scratch build a fair bit.

But my response to rivet counters (and I've had the odd one or two) is normally "So, that would be the prototype would it. Which prototype exactly? I model an imaginary bush railway in Tasmania for which I am the chief engineer. Therefore, prototypical is what I say is prototypical." Usually shuts them up. Of course sometimes it also causes them to depart in a huff, which is usually also a good thing.

Extreme rivet counting is one of the reasons I lost interest in modelling Australian N some years ago. The final straw was when somebody criticised my layout for using a Ratio GWR square post lower quadrant signal (which were virtually identical to the, commercially unobtainable then, NSWGR prototype) - I nearly threw it at him. But that was the end of a long line of increasing frustration with it. One of the great attractions of G (and related scales) for me is the freedom to do ones own thing without necessarily caring about prototype; after all the garden through which the 1:24 line runs is 1:1 which would make the daisy near the station about 60 feet high in scale.....

The other rejoinder, of course, is "You make models do you? Well, personally I run a railway".

Steve


PS Ross, don't encourage Chris to spend his return airfare will you? - I don't think we take 10 pound Poms anymore, and we do want him back!
 
This tread could go on and on. Personally, like said in the previous post, "Rule 8 rocks". I have some Playmobil in my garden railway. And yesterday, my grandson played with the new Playmobil radio controlled diesel for the first time. He loved it, even though I let him run my LGB stuff. The "Play value" the set has, kept him busy for a couple hours.
 
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