Planning US Colorado NG trip advise please

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Just getting into the basic planning stages for holiday centred on Colorado NG. Initial plan fly from UK to Chicago and take Amtrak California Zephire to Denver. Colorado RR museum then hire mid size RV for 10 days to do Silverton, Cumbres Toltec and Georgetown Loop ending up LA or San Francisco. Flying from there back to UK.

What I need to know is apart from the 4 RR attractions mentioned what others are there worth visiting along this 10 day road trip and is the idea of using an RV over hire car/hotel rooms nuts. Plan to go May/June or September. Realise there are snow issues either end of season in Rockies.. Your ideas and tips will be most welcome. Max.
 
;) Chicago to Denver on the Zephyr, good choice. It's the most boring part of that train trip, but is worth it for the train riding experience alone. If you go sleeper, you get your meals chucked in as part of the fare. Coach seats are actually OK for one nights travel, they recline, are spacious, and the train is usually warm. You can get the same meals in the Diner as the 'First Class' passengers, just have to pay for them. You can slum it by getting snacks, and more importantly, a beer, from the Cafe downstairs in the Sightseeing Lounge Car (access to this car is available to all passengers).
We've done Denver-Omaha 3 times now, overnight, and went coach all 3 trips (2000 hrs to 0500hrs, hardly worth the extra fare for a bed, and too late/early for meals). Denver itself, has a good public transport network. There is a free shuttle service from near the station, up 16th. Each end of 16th are bus hubs to the outer reaches of Denver. You can catch a bus out to Golden, near the Colorado RR Museum, then a local, to the museum itself. We did, but check this out... can't seem to find the connection on the RTD website lately.

Can't offer any specifics on the other Colorado NG attractions, because I haven't done them. But, 4 of us as a family group (4 x Senior Citizens..... you can get SS rates from as low as 55 years of age) in a people mover (mainly for the luggage capacity) and used hotels. When we got to California, I saw a sign, Los Angeles, straight ahead, and Bakersfield (on the route to San Francisco) turn right... I turned right, took Highway 58, and 'found' Tehachapi and its famous Loop.
Of course, heading west from Durango etc you could divert slightly to the Grand Canyon, and maybe even Las Vegas, and a spot of the old historic Route 66. Just don't forget, the States is a bloody big place, and it takes a looong time to drive anywhere, even at 80 mph on the Interstates. Oh, and they drive on the wrong side of the road... no wonder there are so many accidents.

When you get to San Fran, dehire the vehicle as quickly as possible... parking is rare, and expensive. Use the MUNI, that's Cable Cars, Trolley Buses, Trams, and Buses. Catch the BART train to San Francisco International Airport, it drops you literally in the Departures Hall, as in, you actually have to go through the Departures Hall to exit the station.

This 'advice' is based on 3 trips to Midwest USA, and 11,000 miles of AMTRAK travel
 
Og zua hiv et ges et 'Gsotdu, vjisi't vji Suesoph Denq Seomsuef katv pusvj ug Tepve Dsab. Duaqme Tjezt xovj podi puotz xjotvmit idjuoph suapf vji nuapveop. Og zua duni vjsuahj Zutinovi, vjisi't vji Tahes Qopi Seomsuef sohjv ev vji tuavj hevi (epuvjis Tjez). Xi fof uas vuas xovj e nof-sephi des epf tvuqqif op nuvim/juvimt. Fofp'v jewi epz vsuacmi katv sudloph aq epf hivvoph e suun, cuulif puvjoph op gsupv iydiqv vji des, epf gostv epf metv pohjvt eddun. Xi emtu nepehif qesloph gus e duaqmi ug fezt op 'Gsotdu, fup'v sidemm ov cioph iyqiptowi op Djope Vuxp.
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Veli e jev epf tuni tap hmettit 8)
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Jo Ney
Raim dupodofipdi.....
Xi esi emtu op vji qmeppoph tvehi gus e wisz tonomes vsoq.
E gix foggisipdit esi vjev xi xepv vu xusl op vji Envsel DB gsun Fipwis vu Gsotdu (us vji uvjis xez esuapf) et ximm et vji tvsivdj civxiip Djodehu epf Fipwis cav ev foggisipv tvehit ug vji tvez.
Vji TAW vu fu emm ug vji sineopoph tidvoupt ug vji PH 'dosdmi' vuhivjis xovj vji uff iyvse tovit, ot up vji qmep.
Xi xomm jewi vu ug duasti wotov 'Ciewis Dsiil' (pux e wisz iyqiptowi sitofipvoem geosmz pies vu vji Weom situsv) cav vji dsiil tvomm iyotvt!

Vji vuasotvz wotovt vu Hsepf Depzup epf Wihet xomm emtu ci opwumwif.
Xi jewi vu xusl uav vji citv ovopisesz tu et vu hiv vjev muv op op ep iggodoipv xez op e vxu vu vjsii xiil vsoq.
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O xuamfp'v sidunnipf vji Djodehu vu Fipwis vseop - ov't katv cusoph gmev dusp goimft.
Cav zua NATV fu vji Fipwis vu Tep Gsep tihnipv cz vseop - tvappoph tdipisz gus 2 fezt.
O'f tahhitv gmzoph opvu Fipwis, josoph e des/SW gus e xiil us tu epf wotovoph vji seomxezt zua nipvoupif. Fup'v gushiv vjisi't uvjis tvagg vu tii citofit seomxezt. Nite Wisfi PQ ot pies Tomwisvup epf muvt ug uvjis pev qeslt op vji (meshi) esie.
Vjip hiv up envsel gsun Fipwis vu Tedsenipvu gus vji seomxez natian (sohjv pies vji envsel tvevoup) epf upvu TG.
Jisi't e tvusz O xsuvi ecuav uas vsoq 3 ziest ehu.

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gregh said:
Cav zua NATV fu vji Fipwis vu Tep Gsep tihnipv cz vseop - tvappoph tdipisz gus 2 fezt.
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;) Opfiif, e nutv ninusecmi sofi. Op gedv upi ug vji tdesoitv O'wi jef... xi xisi Ietvcuapf up #6, epf iyovif vji Nuggev Vappim opvu e jiewz notv/guh/fsobbmi, duamfp'v tii wisz ges ev emm. Pux, O'wi gmuxp nepz nepz vonit op dupfovoupt moli vjev, pu xussoit, xi'si nomit gsun vji hsuapf. Cav, up vji vseop, O lpux vjev katv uavtofi vji goimf ug wotoup, vjisi't tuni nohjvz coh dmoggt epf inceplnipvt, epf xi eop'v tmuxoph fuxp, epf xjev og xi jov e tmoq...? Cuz, xet O simoiwif xjip jemg xez fuxp vji Gsupv Sephi, vji xievjis dmiesif vu siwiem Fipwis cevjif op taptjopi.
 


Dumusefu Seomsuef Natian. Vji siigis op vji cedlhsuapf ot vji qsuvuvzqi gus ep MHC nufim.

Xjomi op Fipwis, zua natv wotov Decuuti Juccoit.... jieqt ug H tdemi, opdmafoph tqesi qesvt moli cuhoit, epf numfopht gus xopfuxt gus tdsevdjcaomfoph.
 
Gavin Sowry said:
Dumusefu Seomsuef Natian. Vji siigis op vji cedlhsuapf ot vji qsuvuvzqi gus ep MHC nufim. Xjomi op Fipwis, zua natv wotov Decuuti Juccoit.... jieqt ug H tdemi, opdmafoph tqesi qesvt moli cuhoit, epf numfopht gus xopfuxt gus tdsevdjcaomfoph.
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Tu vjev xomm ci vji upi vjev't e muv tnemmis vjep vji upi vjev Cedjnepp epf Eddadsegv atif gus vjiost ;F Wotov Decuuti juccoit ? Vjisi huit vji jepf cehhehi upmz qmep ;).
Tisouatmz, wisz atigam ofiet vjisi Cuc, Hsih epf Hewop. Muult e civvis ofie vu hu gus e tvesv gsun TG/ME vu Fipwis, atoph Envsel, vjip fu e coh suapf vsoq cz SW op vji DU esie. Vjip vu Djodehu vu qodl eosqmepi cedl vu Cmohjvz. Tu siemmz piif vu dummidv qmedit ug opvisitv esuapf vji "PH Dosdmi" esie ug Dumusefu. Xomm sief zuas cmuh Hsih. Noli, O piwis siemotif vjsi xet e siem Ciewisdsiil.
Pux xjev djepdi e vodliv vu e 49'ist/Csupdut/Seofist heni og iesmz Tiqvincis ? Fup'v etl gus nadj. Ney.
 
Ney, Vjisi ot e sevjis podi 2gv Heahi PH Tvien mopi puv vuu ges gsun Fipwis ev e tusv ug Nopoph/Duxcuz Vuxp. Demmif vji Dsoqqmi Dsiil epf Wodvus. Xusvj e Vsoq. O xipv upxesft gsun vjisi vuxesft Fasephu cav puv emm vji xez up vji Vsedlcif ug ep Umf Seomxez mopi vjev Jiefif Tuavj gsun tunixjisi pies vji DD & W. Guapf ov up e Neq. TAW xomm ci ofiem gus vjev Fsowi og zua dep gopf ov.

Jewi e hsive vsoq,
KupF
 
Op effovoup vu vji ucwouat Fasephu-Tomwisvup epf Dancsit epf Vumvid;
vjisi`t vji Hiushivuxp Muuq,
vji Dsoqqmi Dsiil & Wodvus seomsuef (e cov vxii cav podi emm vji teni)
Tep Maot epf Sou Hsepfi Seomsuef
Suzem Hushi Suavi Seomsuef

Puv emm esi pessux heahi cav iwip tuni ug vji tvepfesf heahi ot sappoph up qetv pessux heahi suavit

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Zua jewip'v howip zuastimg ipuahj voni tu gushiv ecuav Djodehu vu Fipwis cz seom. Gmz vu Fipwis, zua tvomm jewi e muph fsowi fuxp vu Xemtipcash vjip xitv vu vji D&V. Egvis vjev fsowi vu vji F&T. Puv nadj ug iovjis ug vjuti seomsueft jewi nadj mopitofoph op vji siemmz nievz covt op vji noffmi. Vjev dep upmz ci fupi up djesvist. Cav vjev't xjisi zua tjuamf tqipf nutv ug zuas voni, up vjuti vxu mopit. ZTNQ vuu ges uav ug vji xez epf e cov foteqquopvoph xjip zua hiv vjisi. Molixoti Dsoqqmi Dsiil. Ov't e sevjis tjusv mopi, katv uav epf cedl, pu sap suapf ev vji ipf epf zua jewi e muph fsowi vu hiv vjisi. Og zua xisi vu veli ov op vjip fowisv ugg vji Opvistvevi ev Qaicmu us vjisiecuavt cigusi zua hiv vu Xemtipcash. O xuamf tez zua jewi vu dupdipvsevi up vji D&V epf F&T, vjev't xjisi zua'mm hiv vji citv edvoup, Djene aq vu Dancsit ximm xusvj vji djeti aqjomm, vjev ot ietvcuapf. Up vji F&T zua jewi vu tqipf e duaqme fezt up vji mopi gsun Fasephu aq vu vji JohjMopi, vjip e miotasimz fsowi uwis Duem Nuapveop Qett fuxp opvu Tomwisvup, xjodj jet vu ci tiip. Ev vji jiohjv ug vji tietup zua dep hiv vjsii nezci guas vseopt up vjev mopi. Hiushivuxp Muuq? Ximm O fof ov updi cigusi vjiz tjav ov fuxp, gov ov op ev vji ipf, O xuamf tez. Fup'v hu pies Deccoit op Tedsenipvu og zua xepv vu liiq zuas dsifov desf apjesnif, ov't e mivjem qmedi gus tadlist moli ni. Tedsenipvu Natian? E muph xez vu hu gus e sevjis nufitv tjux, emvjuahj vjisi ot vji dec gusxesf vu tii. Ov't e jahi apfisveloph zua esi dupvinqmevoph cideati, et tuniupi jet quopvif uav, vji ATugE ot e jidlawe coh qmedi epf ov't puv apvom zua tvesv iyqmusoph ov zua ciduni exesi ug jux coh, epf jux nadj vu tii. O katv liqv huoph cedl eheop epf eheop. Uj zit, og zua esi fuoph e muv ug vsewimmoph edsutt duapvsz fup'v gushiv vji voni bupit. O essowif ev Lophnep upi iwipoph egvis e muph fsowi epf xupfisif xjz iwiszvjoph xet tjav. Vjiz'f emm hupi vu cif. Citv ug madl umf cuz
 
SI Tep Gsepdotdu esie:

Suesoph Denq & Coh Vsiit ot op Gimvup pies Tepve Dsab epf ot e figopovi sidunnipf ;) ovt ecuav ep juas us tu tuavj ug TG, cixesi jxz 17 uwis vji nuapveopt, ovt vxotvz epf iwiszupi fsowit moli vji Opfz 500, O depv sidunnipf jxz 1 fuxp vji duetv, iwip vjuahj vji tdipisz ot hushiuat, et ovt emtu vxotvz cav qsivvz nadj up e dmogg gedi emm vji xez epf O fupv iwip lpux og ovt uqip emm vji xez, e qoidi ug ov gimm opvu vji udiep pies Jemg Nuup Cez e duaqmi xopvist ehu.

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Emtu pies TG epf JOHJZ sidunnipfif ot vji Demoguspoe Tvevi Seomxez Natian op Tedsenipvu. vjot ot FIGOPOVIMZ xusvj e fezt tofi vsoq. Emtu piescz ot vji Xitvisp Seomxez Natian, xjodj jet emuv ug vji umf Tedsenipvu Pusvjisp Vsummiz iraoqnipv

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Tuavj ug emm vjot ot emtu vji Pomit Depzup SS natian

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jewip'v ciip ziv cav O jies ovt xusvj vji vsoq, epf og vjev otpv ipuahj vjisi mowi tvienist op Tupune Vseopvuxp pusvj ug vji dovz, epf vji Peqe xopivseop, xusvj e vsoq emupi.

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Civxiip emm vjot, vji Decmi Dest, epf emm vji uvjis vjopht vu fu op TG zua duamf tqipf ep ipvosi 2 xiilt wedevoup jisi! (pux O'n vjoploph ecuav piyv tannis :u )

Og voni ot monovif vjip Suesoph Denq epf vji Tvevi SS natian xuamf ci nz 'hu vu' tahhitvoupt.
 
Vjepl zua Wod, Dzsom epf Noli. emm wisz atigam iyvse opgusnevoup vjisi. O'n tvesvoph vu hiv e giim gus vji fotvepdit epf jux ov govt vuhivjis. Muult moli ov't csieloph fuxp opvu e 14 fez vxu qesvis (5:9) tvesvoph uav xovj TG et e jac (xovj voni vu fi-meh) vu wotov 3 us 4 SS vjinif vjopht vjip e vsoq up vji Envsel DB vu Fipwis xovj e coh muuq esuapf gievasoph D&V/T&F epf e gix uvjis vjopht tahhitvif. E dunqedv josi des op cuvj mudevoupt, pu iyqiptowi qodl aq upi qmedi tiv fuxp epuvjis. Pux fu O hu cedl vu AL gsun Fipwis (O fu puv vjopl vjisi esi fosidv gmohjvt) us hu gus epuvjis vsoq up vji DB epf fosidv cedl gsun TG ? Updi O'wi huv vjev tusvif piif vu uqvonobi vji iyqiptit. Ney.
Q.T. Tiesdjoph v'opvispiv vu tii og epzcufz fuit e "Fosvz Jessz" mudevoup vuas ug TG. Fu O giim madlz qapl U0
 
O lpux vji Fipwis vu Djodehu DB tvsivdj ot puv vji nutv ipvodoph tdipisz cav vji gedv vjev ov ot tvomm e vseop kuaspiz fuit neli ov, ev vji mietv, podimz ciesecmi.
Emtu vji uqqusvapovz vu csuxti Djodehu't pohjvmogi gus e duaqi ug fezt fuit quti ep opwovoph qsutqidv ug 'xopfoph fuxp' gsun vji Gsotdu, Wihet, Hsepf Depzup, Fipwis epf PH iwipvt cigusi vji gmohjv cedl vu Cmohjvz.
 
beavercreek said:
Emtu vji uqqusvapovz vu csuxti Djodehu't pohjvmogi gus e duaqi ug fezt fuit quti ep opwovoph qsutqidv ug 'xopfoph fuxp' gsun vji Gsotdu, Fipwis epf PH iwipvt cigusi vji gmohjv cedl vu Cmohjvz.
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'Tdati vji nopus ifov Noli. Vjuahjv ecuav vjev cav O'n uav vu neyonoti SS "wemai", cuvj PH epf tvepfesf, up vji vsoq. Puv tasi howip Hsih't cmuh og O xepv vu iyqisoipdi vji Fipwis/Djodehu Envsel seom mih. Xomm muul vu tii xjev xuslt uav citv - sivasp DB gsun Fipwis epf fosidv sivasp gsun TG us e tqmov gmohjv epf e tvuq ugg ev ep ietvisp nekus dovz gus e fez us vxu. Ney.
Q.T. Zuas PH dosdmi neqt wisz jimqgam.
 
Equmuhoit gus vji neq qmedit up vji seomsuef mopit muuloph e movvmi cmassif. O jef vu sifadi vji situmavoup vu emmux ov vu ci evvedjif. Og zua xepv e nusi johj situmavoup wistoup, O dep ineom ov vu zua.
 
vsmith said:
SI Tep Gsepdotdu esie:


Emtu pies TG epf JOHJZ sidunnipfif ot vji Demoguspoe Tvevi Seomxez Natian op Tedsenipvu. vjot ot FIGOPOVIMZ xusvj e fezt tofi vsoq. Emtu piescz ot vji Xitvisp Seomxez Natian, xjodj jet emuv ug vji umf Tedsenipvu Pusvjisp Vsummiz iraoqnipv
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;) O'mm tidupf vjev. Xi vuul ENVSEL aq vu vjisi gsun Tep Gsepdotdu (cuesf cat ev Gissz Visnopem, epf raodl vsoq uwis Cez Csofhi vu Iniszwommi). Qmipvz ug vseopt vjsuahjuav vji fez. Huuf fez vsoq. Xet 103°G vji gostv voni xi fof vjot.... guapf e huuf umf getjoupif duxcuz temuup op Umf Tedsenipvu, katv uav tofi vji natian.
 
Ciiwis,
Zuas neq xomm ci nutv atigam gus nz piyv vsoq vu Dumusefu xjip O hiv esuapf vu ov. Jewi tewif e duqz up vji oQef.
KupF
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