Promising shot of the USATC 2-8-0 S160 from Aristocraft

I've got a real soft spot for S160's, hmmm!!

Used to love seeing 'Big Jim' at the KWVR, and there was one at the NYMR for a while too, don't know if they still have it.

I can't see the picture at work on that link, shame!
 
Spule 4 said:
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Take a lookie here:

http://www.aristocraft.com/vbulletinforums/showthread.php?t=16816

Reportedly US and export versions with buffers will be offered.
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Sorry it must be me but that looks nothing like the real thing buffers or no buffers headlight or bell the only connection are the 2-8-0 and the cab theres far to much daylight beneath the boiler it has steps, the cylinders are totally the wrong shape need i go on
Tony
 
New Haven Neil said:
............and there was one at the NYMR for a while too, don't know if they still have it.
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I think I saw it there in the summer - don't know if it's a runner :nail:
 
Lewis Polk of Aristocraft does say that they are going to work on the wheels etc and they are neare rather than further away from the product that they want, so this is definitely not the final production model. If they get it right it will be a good addition to a British layout and American if it matches the prototype line roster...if they get it wrong...they won't sell many!
 
Mike you know i normally love my Aristo locos but seriously show me anything authentic looking about this one it looks like something id expect Naquida to come up with, i even take back what i said about the cab being simular. i know the model is suposed to be a US version but they recon by fitting buffers it will do for us.

I couldnt even see one of our best kitbashers on here (You know who you are) using it as a starting point

yours Descustard
from Essex
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I didn't even recognise it for what it is supposed to be until Tony posted the photo of the real thing.
Actually I thought that the wheels were the most realistic part!
Sorry but in its present form it is too toylike.
It would be unfortunate though if our comments deterred the manufacturers from allowing us a preview.
 
If that is supposed to look like the 2-8-0 preserved at the Army Transportation Museum at Fort Eustis, VA, it fails miserably!!

I've just dug out the slide I took of it 12 years ago, and that one is the same as the ones sent to the UK & Europe, plus the additional items required for US operation (bell/headlight etc, etc) and I believe it is numbered 607. It's in the same livery as the Aristo "610", but there is certainly no huge gap between the frames and the boiler, plus the domes on the boiler are completely different as well!

Will be interesting to see what changes they make to the model, as I could well have been tempted to buy one if it turned out OK!
 
As I said before (Tony take note ;)) If it turns out to be a wrong 'un they will not sell many. As it will probably be priced way out of the 'toy train' purchase unlike the 'teddy bear' loco set it will have to satisfy the likes of us...at the moment...well ....not very satisfied.
The Aristo boss Lewis Polk did say that there is more to do to the production model so It will probably look different to what it does now. Model production does tend to have major revisions before the final product gets to the retailer.
BUT I must admit, having seen piccies of 1:1 ones used over here and those back in the states...it does look a little odd, airpumps in the wrong place, far too much air between the boiler with a load of missing detail. It could be interesting or just a missed opportunity.....we will know in a few months time.....
 
yes i know Mike just dont understand why a respected company would dream publishing a photo of something that was so wrong or employ people that cant even copy something that is so well documented, i know LGB use rubber rulers but at least they look ok compared to the original
nuff said we will see

Tony
 
I do hope Aristo bring it out in the LMR colours as i remember being pulled by Franklin D Roosevelt on the Mid Hants Railway several years ago just after it was restored looked very nice just out of the paint shop :bigsmile:
 
Doesn't much resemble an S160 to me, more of an "inspired by".

5197 on the Churnet Valley is one of my all time favourite locos, one of the noisiest in the UK. The one on the NYMR isn't in working order at the moment and I think up until rcently it was for sale. Next one to be restored will be 6046, again on the Churnet Valley.
 
Tony said:
Mike you know i normally love my Aristo locos but seriously show me anything authentic looking about this one it looks like something id expect Naquida to come up with, i even take back what i said about the cab being simular. i know the model is suposed to be a US version but they recon by fitting buffers it will do for us.

I couldnt even see one of our best kitbashers on here (You know who you are) using it as a starting point

yours Descustard
from Essex
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[align=center]If they offered a chassis only version It would be handy as I could build a model 160 as I have always fancied one,
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Tony said:
Spule 4 said:
All-

Take a lookie here:

http://www.aristocraft.com/vbulletinforums/showthread.php?t=16816

Reportedly US and export versions with buffers will be offered.
Click to expand...

Sorry it must be me but that looks nothing like the real thing buffers or no buffers headlight or bell the only connection are the 2-8-0 and the cab theres far to much daylight beneath the boiler it has steps, the cylinders are totally the wrong shape need i go on
Tony
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As I said, it will be getting buffers. And yes, there were differences between the locos, with several seeing modification from as built by their later local owners.

Two friends I sent the link to were both impressed, one is a competition judge for military modelling and railway modelling (did point out the driver errors) and the other actually crewed one of these years ago.

Time will tell tho....
 
Spule 4 said:
Tony said:
Spule 4 said:
All-

Take a lookie here:

http://www.aristocraft.com/vbulletinforums/showthread.php?t=16816

Reportedly US and export versions with buffers will be offered.
Click to expand...

Sorry it must be me but that looks nothing like the real thing buffers or no buffers headlight or bell the only connection are the 2-8-0 and the cab theres far to much daylight beneath the boiler it has steps, the cylinders are totally the wrong shape need i go on
Tony
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As I said, it will be getting buffers. And yes, there were differences between the locos, with several seeing modification from as built by their later local owners.

Two friends I sent the link to were both impressed, one is a competition judge for military modelling and railway modelling (did point out the driver errors) and the other actually crewed one of these years ago.

Time will tell tho....
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There is also the differenc e in lloading gguage, between Uk and USA , I would imagine that Mr Polk will see its bettered and OK, its not right at the moment but this is a feed back release AND RETOOLING COSTS , and if we read the newspapers the world business is stale , so if someone has the gumption and foresight to I have never understood gripes, without constructive iterjection, and those of us that would like someone to make something have to be content with something that goes around r1 what ever that is
 
Many UK modelers run 1:29 and follow American outline so for us 1:29, which most Aristo is, will be fine.

Further reference to the Aristo Forum will enlighten readers on which prototype was chosen for the basis of the model.

When they eventually hit these shores (if I haven't sourced from the States) the B and O, or WM may well be my choice.  
 
It's not a model of an S160...
It's a B&O loco, just like their Pacific, but I don't recall the type right now.
The B&O locos were often converted into 0-8-0s and used as heavy yard switchers at the end of their career.

But since it's a 2-8-0 Aristo will sell a few in S160 paintschemes I guess
 
It's close to the B&O E27
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About as close as Aristo is to any model. And the E27 series saw, as I mentioned above, several variatons and rebuilds during thir lifetime so this one might be 100% spot on for one of them.

More photos can be found here
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/bo_steam2.html
And if you look at them you will see that no two look excactly the same. Even so drastic differences as wagon top and belpaire fireboxes, and piston and slide valves.

And yes, the boiler is high on those. Also remember that the S160 was made to European (British) loading gauge. So should be quite a bit smaller overall. And yes... sadly it's 1/29

(edit: smaller picture)
 
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