RhB passenger coach bogie

Parkdesigner said:
Ok, let me try this again…

I’ve just pulled a spare bogie assemble (tongue, left frame, right frame, and clutch) from a sealed factory bag.

The tongue is stamped 30660.160
The left side frame, when looking at the assembly from above, wheels down, with the clutch up (at top) is 30660.163
The right side frame, when looking at the assembly from above, wheels down, with the clutch up (at top) is 30660.162

A way to tell the two apart is that .163 is designed to pitch/flex about the tongue’s mounting point. It “rocks” when traversing uneven track.
.162 is designed to slide snug onto the mounting point of the tongue.

Based on your photo, the piece you’re looking for should be .163…. but you’ve asked for .162… so I would start with examining the part number stamps on the back of both sides, and confirming which number it is you need?

Note that depending on when the part was made (1990s, 2000s, 2010s) and where - Germany, Hungary, China... the P/N stamp can very in position - but the mould itself remained the same.

In a pinch, you can use a .163 in place of a .162 albeit with some slop.
You CAN force a .162 onto the mount for a .163 - but you will have to shave off the lower boss that is on the underside of the tongue’s mounting point. (There is only one on the assembly - it’s to help guide the “flex” of the side frame when rocking)

Going back to my earlier post above - Modell-land.de is the best place I’ve been able to source parts. Some they list online - some you need to email for.
You can also check with Champex-Linden.

Technically - if it makes sense for you - you can also order from train-li-usa in the states, as they sell the Modell-Land inventory - but you have a longer wait, as they collect part orders, then gang shipments once a month from Germany to US.

(Here is the full assembly from Train-li’s website: LGB-33667-M012 Truck for Glacier Express )

You can also troll eBay (UK, US, and DE) for parts... currently some available in Germany: MTS 82330005 Drehgestell schwarz mit langer Deichsel RhB 3X66X Ersatzteil LGB
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Hi Park, thanks for all the info. I didn't know there was so much tech involved in a bogie! Yes, it looks like I need 30660.163 as you suggest (162 is the remaining right hand side that I still have). I have the other bits too.
 
Well that is unfortunate.

Have you emailed them to see if they will ship on special request? I know they used to post to the UK without issue.
Alternatively - I believe the eBay seller does ship to the UK... and I'm sure Train-Li will for a cost
(...though a bit silly to ship DE-->USA-->UK, but if that's the only way forward... needs must I guess... )

Good luck.
 
Parkdesigner said:
Well that is unfortunate.

Have you emailed them to see if they will ship on special request? I know they used to post to the UK without issue.
Alternatively - I believe the eBay seller does ship to the UK... and I'm sure Train-Li will for a cost
(...though a bit silly to ship DE-->USA-->UK, but if that's the only way forward... needs must I guess... )

Good luck.
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I have emailed them and asked that question, short answer they don't and won't, it's the VAT situation since Brexit.
 
Nodrog1826 said:
I have emailed them and asked that question, short answer they don't and won't, it's the VAT situation since Brexit.
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Which is total rubbish and just lazy retailing, They must make enough money on EU sales to not care.

All they need to do is send via an online courier or postal service and its all handled. lots of German retails do this. Sending the other way I have had only one issue now, Where a Portuguese customer didnt bother to chase and didnt pay customs charges ( i chased them to do it) and the goods got sent back to me at cost ! So i took it out of the customers charges and refunded them the difference ! They ordered again and swiftly paid EU customs.

WHY NOT JUST ORDER DIRECT WITH MARKLIN WITH THE DETAILS I PUT IN MY FIRST MESSAGE ??? marklin has the following info ref costs to ship to UK/ 19 euros

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https://www.maerklinshop.de/en/shipping-and-costs#international

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Here are the parts again

Truck Frame with Hooks​


or without the couplers (hooks)

https://www.maerklinshop.de/en/spare-parts/64938/truck-frame-without-hooks
 
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HobbitFertang said:
it looks like I need 30660.163
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I'm surprised that no-one has suggested asking Peter Skinner at Chalk Garden Rail whether that's a part he can obtain for you. He's the UK warranty repair agent for LGB, so must get periodic deliveries of spare parts from Germany. As long as it's a part of a current(ish) model, it should be a possibility (even if you have to wait until the next delivery).

Cheers

David
 
SevenOfDiamonds said:
I'm surprised that no-one has suggested asking Peter Skinner at Chalk Garden Rail whether that's a part he can obtain for you. He's the UK warranty repair agent for LGB, so must get periodic deliveries of spare parts from Germany. As long as it's a part of a current(ish) model, it should be a possibility (even if you have to wait until the next delivery).

Cheers

David
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I imagine Chalk have to go though the railway retail mafia (aka Guagemaster) who dont offer any help or competitive prices to their retailers.
 
DickyC said:
I imagine Chalk have to go though the railway retail mafia (aka Guagemaster) who dont offer any help or competitive prices to their retailers.
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The UK importer of LGB is The Hobby Company, based in Milton Keynes (Home | The Hobby Company). They will only normally supply catalogued items, whereas Peter Skinner will need to access spare parts direct from Germany for his warranty work. He has sourced other parts for me in the past (though not when the item requiring the part is not in current or recent production).
 
SevenOfDiamonds said:
I'm surprised that no-one has suggested asking Peter Skinner at Chalk Garden Rail whether that's a part he can obtain for you. He's the UK warranty repair agent for LGB, so must get periodic deliveries of spare parts from Germany. As long as it's a part of a current(ish) model, it should be a possibility (even if you have to wait until the next delivery).

Cheers

David
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Thanks Seven, I have in fact already placed an order with Peter though I understand from other sources that the part is discontinued.
 
Hobby Company will only supply current items, and not many (any?) spare parts.
The likes of Chalk, and myself will get what we can direct from Marklin. - I try to only order 3-4 times a year, and will buy 'consumables' and anything I need specifically for a job.. This is why it can take some time for some repairs.

Modell Land bought-up the stock inventory, one of the times LGB went belly-up, and have been a useful source of out of production parts.
You just need to be 'creative'.. Either use Train-Li, which means there will be a hit for their markup and carriage from the States, or you find a dealer / forum member who is prepared to act on your behalf.

A little like me dealing with UK suppliers who don't send abroad, and forwarding-on for people.

PhilP
 
Parkdesigner said:
Ok, let me try this again…

I’ve just pulled a spare bogie assemble (tongue, left frame, right frame, and clutch) from a sealed factory bag.

The tongue is stamped 30660.160
The left side frame, when looking at the assembly from above, wheels down, with the clutch up (at top) is 30660.163
The right side frame, when looking at the assembly from above, wheels down, with the clutch up (at top) is 30660.162

A way to tell the two apart is that .163 is designed to pitch/flex about the tongue’s mounting point. It “rocks” when traversing uneven track.
.162 is designed to slide snug onto the mounting point of the tongue.

Based on your photo, the piece you’re looking for should be .163…. but you’ve asked for .162… so I would start with examining the part number stamps on the back of both sides, and confirming which number it is you need?

Note that depending on when the part was made (1990s, 2000s, 2010s) and where - Germany, Hungary, China... the P/N stamp can very in position - but the mould itself remained the same.

In a pinch, you can use a .163 in place of a .162 albeit with some slop.
You CAN force a .162 onto the mount for a .163 - but you will have to shave off the lower boss that is on the underside of the tongue’s mounting point. (There is only one on the assembly - it’s to help guide the “flex” of the side frame when rocking)

Going back to my earlier post above - Modell-land.de is the best place I’ve been able to source parts. Some they list online - some you need to email for.
You can also check with Champex-Linden.

Technically - if it makes sense for you - you can also order from train-li-usa in the states, as they sell the Modell-Land inventory - but you have a longer wait, as they collect part orders, then gang shipments once a month from Germany to US.

(Here is the full assembly from Train-li’s website: LGB-33667-M012 Truck for Glacier Express )

You can also troll eBay (UK, US, and DE) for parts... currently some available in Germany: MTS 82330005 Drehgestell schwarz mit langer Deichsel RhB 3X66X Ersatzteil LGB
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Hi Parkdesigner,

I finally got around to following up on your tip for MTS-Line in Germany and have placed an order for the whole bogie, just in case the repair bits can't be got. £46 including postage, Thanks again!
 
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