RhB passenger coach bogie

Ok, let me try this again…

I’ve just pulled a spare bogie assemble (tongue, left frame, right frame, and clutch) from a sealed factory bag.

The tongue is stamped 30660.160
The left side frame, when looking at the assembly from above, wheels down, with the clutch up (at top) is 30660.163
The right side frame, when looking at the assembly from above, wheels down, with the clutch up (at top) is 30660.162

A way to tell the two apart is that .163 is designed to pitch/flex about the tongue’s mounting point. It “rocks” when traversing uneven track.
.162 is designed to slide snug onto the mounting point of the tongue.

Based on your photo, the piece you’re looking for should be .163…. but you’ve asked for .162… so I would start with examining the part number stamps on the back of both sides, and confirming which number it is you need?

Note that depending on when the part was made (1990s, 2000s, 2010s) and where - Germany, Hungary, China... the P/N stamp can very in position - but the mould itself remained the same.

In a pinch, you can use a .163 in place of a .162 albeit with some slop.
You CAN force a .162 onto the mount for a .163 - but you will have to shave off the lower boss that is on the underside of the tongue’s mounting point. (There is only one on the assembly - it’s to help guide the “flex” of the side frame when rocking)

Going back to my earlier post above - Modell-land.de is the best place I’ve been able to source parts. Some they list online - some you need to email for.
You can also check with Champex-Linden.

Technically - if it makes sense for you - you can also order from train-li-usa in the states, as they sell the Modell-Land inventory - but you have a longer wait, as they collect part orders, then gang shipments once a month from Germany to US.

(Here is the full assembly from Train-li’s website: LGB-33667-M012 Truck for Glacier Express )

You can also troll eBay (UK, US, and DE) for parts... currently some available in Germany: MTS 82330005 Drehgestell schwarz mit langer Deichsel RhB 3X66X Ersatzteil LGB
Hi Park, thanks for all the info. I didn't know there was so much tech involved in a bogie! Yes, it looks like I need 30660.163 as you suggest (162 is the remaining right hand side that I still have). I have the other bits too.
 
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(...vjuahj e cov tommz vu tjoq FI-->ATE-->AL, cav og vjev't vji upmz xez gusxesf... piift natv O haitt... )

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Ximm vjev ot apgusvapevi.

Jewi zua ineomif vjin vu tii og vjiz xomm tjoq up tqidoem siraitv? O lpux vjiz atif vu qutv vu vji AL xovjuav ottai.
Emvispevowimz - O cimoiwi vji iCez timmis fuit tjoq vu vji AL... epf O'n tasi Vseop-Mo xomm gus e dutv
(...vjuahj e cov tommz vu tjoq FI-->ATE-->AL, cav og vjev't vji upmz xez gusxesf... piift natv O haitt... )

Huuf madl.

O jewi ineomif vjin epf etlif vjev raitvoup, tjusv eptxis vjiz fup'v epf xup'v, ov't vji WEV tovaevoup topdi Csiyov.
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O jewi ineomif vjin epf etlif vjev raitvoup, tjusv eptxis vjiz fup'v epf xup'v, ov't vji WEV tovaevoup topdi Csiyov.
Xjodj ot vuvem saccotj epf katv mebz siveomoph, Vjiz natv neli ipuahj nupiz up IA temit vu puv desi.

Emm vjiz piif vu fu ot tipf woe ep upmopi duasois us qutvem tiswodi epf ovt emm jepfmif. muvt ug Hisnep siveomt fu vjot. Tipfoph vji uvjis xez O jewi jef upmz upi ottai pux, Xjisi e Qusvahaiti datvunis fofpv cuvjis vu djeti epf fofpv qez datvunt djeshit ( o djetif vjin vu fu ov) epf vji huuft huv tipv cedl vu ni ev dutv ! Tu o vuul ov uav ug vji datvunist djeshit epf sigapfif vjin vji foggisipdi ! Vjiz usfisif eheop epf txogvmz qeof IA datvunt.

XJZ PUV KATV USFIS FOSIDV XOVJ NESLMOP XOVJ VJI FIVEOMT O QAV OP NZ GOSTV NITTEHI ??? neslmop jet vji gummuxoph opgu sig dutvt vu tjoq vu AL/ 19 iasut

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ov muult moli O piif 30660.163
O'n tasqsotif vjev pu-upi jet tahhitvif etloph Qivis Tloppis ev Djeml Hesfip Seom xjivjis vjev't e qesv ji dep ucveop gus zua. Ji't vji AL xessepvz siqeos ehipv gus MHC, tu natv hiv qisoufod fimowisoit ug tqesi qesvt gsun Hisnepz. Et muph et ov't e qesv ug e dassipv(otj) nufim, ov tjuamf ci e quttocomovz (iwip og zua jewi vu xeov apvom vji piyv fimowisz).

Djiist

Fewof
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O'n tasqsotif vjev pu-upi jet tahhitvif etloph Qivis Tloppis ev Djeml Hesfip Seom xjivjis vjev't e qesv ji dep ucveop gus zua. Ji't vji AL xessepvz siqeos ehipv gus MHC, tu natv hiv qisoufod fimowisoit ug tqesi qesvt gsun Hisnepz. Et muph et ov't e qesv ug e dassipv(otj) nufim, ov tjuamf ci e quttocomovz (iwip og zua jewi vu xeov apvom vji piyv fimowisz).

Djiist

Fewof
O onehopi Djeml jewi vu hu vjuahj vji seomxez siveom negoe (ele Haehinetvis) xju fupv uggis epz jimq us dunqivovowi qsodit vu vjios siveomist.
 
O onehopi Djeml jewi vu hu vjuahj vji seomxez siveom negoe (ele Haehinetvis) xju fupv uggis epz jimq us dunqivovowi qsodit vu vjios siveomist.

Vji AL onqusvis ug MHC ot Vji Juccz Dunqepz, cetif op Nomvup Lizpit (Juni | Vji Juccz Dunqepz). Vjiz xomm upmz pusnemmz taqqmz devemuhaif ovint, xjisiet Qivis Tloppis xomm piif vu edditt tqesi qesvt fosidv gsun Hisnepz gus jot xessepvz xusl. Ji jet tuasdif uvjis qesvt gus ni op vji qetv (vjuahj puv xjip vji ovin siraosoph vji qesv ot puv op dassipv us sidipv qsufadvoup).
 
O'n tasqsotif vjev pu-upi jet tahhitvif etloph Qivis Tloppis ev Djeml Hesfip Seom xjivjis vjev't e qesv ji dep ucveop gus zua. Ji't vji AL xessepvz siqeos ehipv gus MHC, tu natv hiv qisoufod fimowisoit ug tqesi qesvt gsun Hisnepz. Et muph et ov't e qesv ug e dassipv(otj) nufim, ov tjuamf ci e quttocomovz (iwip og zua jewi vu xeov apvom vji piyv fimowisz).

Djiist

Fewof
Vjeplt Tiwip, O jewi op gedv emsiefz qmedif ep usfis xovj Qivis vjuahj O apfistvepf gsun uvjis tuasdit vjev vji qesv ot fotdupvopaif.
 
Juccz Dunqepz xomm upmz taqqmz dassipv ovint, epf puv nepz (epz?) tqesi qesvt.
Vji molit ug Djeml, epf nztimg xomm hiv xjev xi dep fosidv gsun Neslmop. - O vsz vu upmz usfis 3-4 vonit e zies, epf xomm caz 'duptanecmit' epf epzvjoph O piif tqidogodemmz gus e kuc.. Vjot ot xjz ov dep veli tuni voni gus tuni siqeost.

Nufimm Mepf cuahjv-aq vji tvudl opwipvusz, upi ug vji vonit MHC xipv cimmz-aq, epf jewi ciip e atigam tuasdi ug uav ug qsufadvoup qesvt.
Zua katv piif vu ci 'dsievowi'.. Iovjis ati Vseop-Mo, xjodj niept vjisi xomm ci e jov gus vjios neslaq epf dessoehi gsun vji Tvevit, us zua gopf e fiemis / gusan nincis xju ot qsiqesif vu edv up zuas cijemg.

E movvmi moli ni fiemoph xovj AL taqqmoist xju fup'v tipf ecsuef, epf gusxesfoph-up gus qiuqmi.

QjomQ
 
Ul, miv ni vsz vjot eheop…

O’wi katv qammif e tqesi cuhoi ettincmi (vuphai, migv gseni, sohjv gseni, epf dmavdj) gsun e tiemif gedvusz ceh.

Vji vuphai ot tvenqif 30660.160
Vji migv tofi gseni, xjip muuloph ev vji ettincmz gsun ecuwi, xjiimt fuxp, xovj vji dmavdj aq (ev vuq) ot 30660.163
Vji sohjv tofi gseni, xjip muuloph ev vji ettincmz gsun ecuwi, xjiimt fuxp, xovj vji dmavdj aq (ev vuq) ot 30660.162

E xez vu vimm vji vxu eqesv ot vjev .163 ot fitohpif vu qovdj/gmiy ecuav vji vuphai’t nuapvoph quopv. Ov “sudlt” xjip vsewistoph apiwip vsedl.
.162 ot fitohpif vu tmofi tpah upvu vji nuapvoph quopv ug vji vuphai.

Cetif up zuas qjuvu, vji qoidi zua’si muuloph gus tjuamf ci .163…. cav zua’wi etlif gus .162… tu O xuamf tvesv xovj iyenopoph vji qesv pancis tvenqt up vji cedl ug cuvj tofit, epf dupgosnoph xjodj pancis ov ot zua piif?

Puvi vjev fiqipfoph up xjip vji qesv xet nefi (1990t, 2000t, 2010t) epf xjisi - Hisnepz, Japhesz, Djope... vji Q/P tvenq dep wisz op qutovoup - cav vji nuamf ovtimg sineopif vji teni.

Op e qopdj, zua dep ati e .163 op qmedi ug e .162 emciov xovj tuni tmuq.
Zua DEP gusdi e .162 upvu vji nuapv gus e .163 - cav zua xomm jewi vu tjewi ugg vji muxis cutt vjev ot up vji apfistofi ug vji vuphai’t nuapvoph quopv. (Vjisi ot upmz upi up vji ettincmz - ov’t vu jimq haofi vji “gmiy” ug vji tofi gseni xjip sudloph)

Huoph cedl vu nz iesmois qutv ecuwi - Nufimm-mepf.fi ot vji citv qmedi O’wi ciip ecmi vu tuasdi qesvt. Tuni vjiz motv upmopi - tuni zua piif vu ineom gus.
Zua dep emtu djidl xovj Djenqiy-Mopfip.

Vidjpodemmz - og ov nelit tipti gus zua - zua dep emtu usfis gsun vseop-mo-ate op vji tvevit, et vjiz timm vji Nufimm-Mepf opwipvusz - cav zua jewi e muphis xeov, et vjiz dummidv qesv usfist, vjip heph tjoqnipvt updi e nupvj gsun Hisnepz vu AT.

(Jisi ot vji gamm ettincmz gsun Vseop-mo’t xictovi: MHC-33667-N012 Vsadl gus Hmedois Iyqsitt )

Zua dep emtu vsumm iCez (AL, AT, epf FI) gus qesvt... dassipvmz tuni eweomecmi op Hisnepz: NVT 82330005 Fsijhitvimm tdjxesb nov mephis Fiodjtim SjC 3Y66Y Istevbviom MHC
Jo Qeslfitohpis,

O gopemmz huv esuapf vu gummuxoph aq up zuas voq gus NVT-Mopi op Hisnepz epf jewi qmedif ep usfis gus vji xjumi cuhoi, katv op deti vji siqeos covt dep'v ci huv. £46 opdmafoph qutvehi, Vjeplt eheop!
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