Telegraph or Telephone Poles

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I sometimes wonder where is best to Post some of my Ramblings. Should they be on my New Line Thread or as this is where it may be more easily found as here in the Scenery Section. Hm Tricky question I guess. Anyhow for the moment it is here in the Scenics.

Those of you who have been following the ramblings of my new line may have noted that I was Planting Poles a week or so ago. This is what I did.

Having had 2 sets of Bachman Telegraph Poles to hand I decided that the time was now ripe to install them on the new line. In fact one of the sets has been out on Two Lines already and were looking somewhat beaten up. In part this is due to weakening of the plastic after exposure to the Air. The other certainly the effects of 2 House Moves. This old set had been installed by the simple expedient of Nailing the Bases into the Ground or Wood Baseboards and planting the post therein. I have cut down the base somewhat as this was just too big for purpose. I also cut off the top two Cross Poles as these are somewhat too main line for my eye. Plus I modified the Poles to only have 2 Pots and be somewhat thinner. I have 2 basic kinds now, one where the Pots are the original Outside ones and others where the Pots Left are the 2 Middle ones. The excess cross Post being cut off. My reasons for these Mods are twofold. First I think that the Poles as supplied are just too Main Line looking. Plus my research of the Selketalbahn suggested somewhat less Pole was required.

The repair works required this time round were somewhat extensive as there were very few of the Pots that were really viable. So I cut them all off, filed off the little Pips both on the Pots and the cross Poles. Drilled both for Peco Track Pins and Superglued back in place but with the Pots the other way round. The Production Line is seen in the first pic together with one of the New Unmodified Poles for Comparison. The final job is to paint the Pots White. I did not go overboard with this wanting them to look as if they had been around for some years. Whilst I would not normally trust Superglue outside, I now use PowerBond 806. I got this from a Demonstrator at the Ally Palley Show some 3 or so years ago, kept in the Fridge it is as fresh today as the day I bought it. Plus I also like the belt and braces mechanical of the Peco Track Pins.

Production Line

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Waiting to be installed

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Next job was to start planting the old Poles to see how many more would be required. But before that I needed to decide the Spacing. I researched this by looking at the DVD`s of the Selketalbahn that I have. In the end a Train with a Mallett, a Coach and two Wagons appeared to be just about within two poles separation. This equated to around 6 feet, so that became my distance more or less. On Curves this needs to be slightly different as the lines would not normally overhang the line.

The new Poles were similarly modified, except that I did not do any work with the pots except paint them as being new they are all sound. Though I did distress them somewhat by pulling an old bit of Hacksaw blade along the Pole itself to represent Wood. This could be possible on the old ones too, as just being planted in the Base they are fully removable. These were similarly Planted around the line.

I now find myself probably in need of another set to complete some of the Garden. Anyone have a set or just some unused ones they do not want? Have looked at ebay but the prices but the price for a new set is just silly.

There are none indoors as yet. These however may be Scratch Built with Wood using Ramin. B&Q old gits day today so I may be out there making a purchase. These will of course be round to match the existing ones. But perhaps with more detail. More on this when they are done. Another job to be done is to Plant some Supports. Posts tend to have supports that take the Strain on both Curves and Straight Track. These can be at almost any angle to the Track with the exception (I think) of actually facing the Track. I may even give them some Grey Weathering.

In the meantime here are some pictures of the Poles in the Great Outdoors. Some of the one-offs can also be seen, particularly note the Cross Post only on the Factory side, plus the one with the Pots to the Right of the Poles on the Sharp curve.

Pics of the installation so far.

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JonD
 

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I think your reasoning on reducing the number of pole cross-trees is sound. There would be little telegraph traffic and two wires would carry it.

Bracing on T/poles is always on the side of the strain, i.e. inside of curves, though with lightly loaded poles (such as yours) much less frequent bracing will be required, possibly none, except on very tight curves. The other place where bracing is common is when poles are situated at the top of an embankment and there is a possibility of side slip. The distance between poles may be reduced around curves, to keep the wires from overhanging the line.

Poles sometimes had water protection added to the top. Sometimes the poles are just cut to a pent shape and sometimes this had a zinc sheet nailed on. Sometimes they are just cut on the angle.
 
GRS do a very effective range of telegraph and electrical poles. Bit expensive bought built but in reality could be very easy to scratchbuild copies.

Not giving away any trade secrets - They use dark stained wood dowel and strip for the poles and crossbars, small white painted air gun pellets for the "insulators", sundry panel pins for the "footholds" and a bit lead flashing to go over the top. Take a look here http://www.grsuk.com/GRS_Accessories-C403000 . Their electrical distribution/substations on poles (not shown) are even more creative in their use of everyday adapted bits. Could supply some photos if asked.

They are very effective and last well in the garden with only the pins holding in the crossbars needing re-seating in each spring.
Max.
 
Nice but ouch. Think I will Scratch the inside ones. I have plenty of Spare Cross Bars that I can nick Pots from. Some pics of the distribution gear would be interesting. Will need to re look at my Vids to see what they used in the DR Days.
JonD
 
bobg said:
I think your reasoning on reducing the number of pole cross-trees is sound. There would be little telegraph traffic and two wires would carry it.

Bracing on T/poles is always on the side of the strain, i.e. inside of curves, though with lightly loaded poles (such as yours) much less frequent bracing will be required, possibly none, except on very tight curves. The other place where bracing is common is when poles are situated at the top of an embankment and there is a possibility of side slip. The distance between poles may be reduced around curves, to keep the wires from overhanging the line.

Poles sometimes had water protection added to the top. Sometimes the poles are just cut to a pent shape and sometimes this had a zinc sheet nailed on. Sometimes they are just cut on the angle.

Certainly I should be thinking of some representation of Weather Protection as well, point well made.
JonD
 
Here you are Jon, some pole head shots for inspiration. Some clever use of clear head push pins, cheese head screws, hex nuts, marker pen caps , lead flashing, air gun pellets and panel pins. They look even better on the ground and in the field. Might be quite low cost from scratch. A trip down to B&Q might suffice or a rummage around household drawers. Gets away from the smooth bendy plasticky things. Max.
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Like the idea of air gun pellets. The pic with the Toroidial transformer looks like the one that feeds our house!

I might just borrow your idea Max ;D
 
trammayo said:
I might just borrow your idea Max ;D
Not my ideas or work, bought from GRS. Hope I'm not putting somebody out of work posting these pic's. max.
 
maxi-model said:
Gets away from the smooth bendy plasticky things.....

yaay ! I never could get paint to stick to them. Jon, if you want some Bachmann ones PM me with an address and I'll send you a bundle at the weekend. I've had em for years and spent more time repainting them than anything else.
 
Finally, an intelligent use for stick pins [e]306[/e]
 
Saw a bloke the other day with his arms out, holding a pair of wires, humming to himself..

Strange, I thought..

Then I realised.. .. .. .. He was a telegraph Pole!

Byeeeee!!
 
I have to say that the GRS ones are novel, however they do look a bit on the crude side to my eye. Still thanks for the pics Max and they may help in the detail that I will do on the inside ones. However the Garden ones will be the bendy Bachmann ones as they are Robust and OK from normal viewpoint. Well at least to my eye they are.

One of the things that I never mentioned in my Construction was that I will be doing some work to loose the Bachmann Bases. This will be done with Ballast, Earth etc. However now that it is Colder, my choice of holding such things in place I.E. Watered down PVA does not work so well. It needs a Warm Sunny Day to dry well. So that little job will have to wait till next Summer. The good side about using the Bases is that the Poles are easy to take out and put back for Mods of even bad bending after a Bird Strike!
JonD
 
As mentioned in my last missive, I have finally gotten around to planting more of these. I used the contents of Two Packs of Bachman Poles in the Great Outdoors. However the Two Packs were insufficient to complete the indoors as well. So I decided to have a go at building some myself.

Poles
My first chores involved a couple of lengths of 6mm Dowel from B&Q on old gits day. At 2.4 Metres long this proved enough for 16 poles. 1 more than I needed in the Shed. These were cut 28cm long with a Diagonal 45 Degree cut at one end. Next I cut a narrowish Slot to take a Thick Coffee Stirrer for the Cross Piece. This Slot is around 3mm Deep or 1/2 the Width of the Pole.

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Cross Piece
Next up I cut the Cross Pieces form the Complete Stirrer, I managed 3 at 5cm from each Stirrer. I have to emphasise that a Thicker Stirrer will look better as the Cross Piece. Next job was to Slot the Cross Piece and small drill (see below re the Drill I used is the same as for the Pots) for the Pots. The holes for the Pots are around 5mm from each end. Inevitably I use a small Jig for this, my simple Jig for marking both holes is seen in one of the Pics.

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Pots
I used Pots spare from the Bachmann Poles. As I cut off all but two from each Bachmann Pole there are plenty left. In fact if any of you wish to make some Poles similar to mine, just PM me if you need some Pots. I drill the Pots with a very small drill to take the fine Veneer Pins that pass through the Pots and into the Cross Pieces. The pins should be a tight fit and I push them part in completing the job with a Pair Of Pliers placing the Pin Head on the Workbench

Construction
Some more fabricating for this I am afraid, I cut up some BBQ Sticks for the Supports, these are cut at 90 Degrees each end and are around 10mm Long. Of course two for each Pole. The Cross Pieces are Glued into the Cut Slots, I choose to use Waterproof PVA for this Job. Next up the Supports are glued on again with Waterproof PVA. Let these Cure overnight before attempting to push the Pots in place into the pre drilled holes. These should need a light Tap with a small hammer whist the pice is supported in a partly opened vice. This stiffness of fit will ensure that the Pot remains in place without glue. Snip off the excess pin, as my pins are a bit on the Long Side I snip them off into a Pin Box as the non headed pins are of use next. Now drill the Bottom of the Pole with the Small Drill around 4-5 Mm. Push in the Non Headed Pins pointy way first. This will be the way the Poles are held up on the Layout.

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Painting
I mixed up a Slop of Acrylic Black with plenty of Water and a bit of Washing Up Liquid, dunked the heads in then painted the rest. Give an overnight dry before painting the Pots with Acrylic White at full strength.

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Planting
Using that small trusty Drill (assuming that you have not broken it!) drill a hone into the Baseboard and just shove the Pin at the bottom of the Pole into it. Simples. They can now be removed should you need to do any work where they may be in the way, though you will probably have to Drill another Hole when you re- plant them.

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After I planted the Poles in the Shed I discovered I had made 1 too many. So I decided to see how this would survive outdoors. To plant this into the Paving Slab Baseboard was clearly not going to be possible by drilling as I had done indoors. Thus I attacked the Slab with a masonry drill and hammered a small cut off from the Poles in place. Then I drilled it with my Small Drill and planted the Pole as indoors. Outside the Pins will Rust and should hold the Pole in place. I just worry a bit about the Glued Joints for the Supports. But time will tell on this.

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Having Completed these indoors now, I realise that I still probably need perhaps another Pack of the Bachman Poles to complete the Loop around the Middle Rockery that has somehow been forgotten. Though I may see how the one Wooden Pole that I have placed outside survives unless some Bachman ones turn up somewhere at a reasonable price.

I wonder if dtsteam`s offer is still valid?
JonD
 
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