thinking about trying to kitbash some bachmann parts into a Garratt

[GAP]

While I love your aspirations.

Before making an 80 passenger car, and a complex locomotive, why not make a box car or something more simple.

Then you can learn about trucks, equalization, bolsters, track and wheel gauge, etc.

All fundamentals you will need for more complex things. Say you wanted to be a Formula 1 driver, your first race would not be at Monza or Monaco, but in a go cart on a local track.

Similarly, trying to handle complex things without even the fundamentals seems pretty hard to do, very few people, even mechanical engineers have started at 1,000 miles an hour!

Make something. Learn the basics of 3d printing. Make a simple box car, you will have enough challenges with that. Setting your sights too high initially will probably end in frustration.

Greg

Sound advice from Greg there.
To help you on your way have a look at these downloads, I have printed the the bogies and they work well.

Bogies

Bogies for LGB cars by jockelill

Bogies for LGB-cars. Will fit for instance the heavy load car I've created but also other cars. I've added one version with hook holder (standard LGB hook will fit) and one version without holder. I've also added complete files for reference or so you can download and use in your own projects...

www.thingiverse.com

Bogies for LGB cars

Bogies for LGB-cars. Will fit for instance the heavy load car I've created but also other cars. I've added one version with hook holder (standard LGB hook will fit) and one version without holder. I've also added complete files for reference or so you can download and use in your own projects...

cults3d.com

Couplers
Loop and hook

LGB Kupplungshaken

LGB Kupplungshaken für den Sb Tragwagen und andere Modelle es ist ein Remix aus thingiverse thing:4718704 thingiverse thing:4343616 sie wurde so angepasst das sie für meine Bedürfnisse passend waren. Vor allem das abkippen nach unten wurde verbessert LGB coupling hook for the Sb flat car and...

cults3d.com

knuckle

Knuckle Coupler for LGB by dagnall53

Updated Dec 2019:added the "V2" Opening Knuckle versions from the Motorised coupler..Updated Oct 2017: I have added the "fixed 7 degree" version of my revised geometry couplings here. These are single piece parts, and need the lock ring to push them down firmly in the housings. It has similar...

www.thingiverse.com

Link and pin

LGB kupplung mit puffer by GARTENBAHN_POLDERBAAN

for LGB 45770 and more. no chain included ofcourse. advice: metallpin

www.thingiverse.com

Wagon print

Spur G Flachwagen

Flachwagen an Piko G angepasst. Flachkopf 3x10mm für die federn und Senkkopf 3x10 zur haken Befestigung Drehgestell

cults3d.com

That should keep you busy for a while

 

[NorthwestGarrattGuy]

i know this that why my plan is to modify my existing rolling stock since it look a little strange and the gauging is rather odd/bad and i am going to rebuild my couplers

While I love your aspirations.

Before making an 80 passenger car, and a complex locomotive, why not make a box car or something more simple.

Then you can learn about trucks, equalization, bolsters, track and wheel gauge, etc.

All fundamentals you will need for more complex things. Say you wanted to be a Formula 1 driver, your first race would not be at Monza or Monaco, but in a go cart on a local track.

Similarly, trying to handle complex things without even the fundamentals seems pretty hard to do, very few people, even mechanical engineers have started at 1,000 miles an hour!

Make something. Learn the basics of 3d printing. Make a simple box car, you will have enough challenges with that. Setting your sights too high initially will probably end in frustration.

Greg

 

[NorthwestGarrattGuy]

Sound advice from Greg there.
To help you on your way have a look at these downloads, I have printed the the bogies and they work well.

Bogies

Bogies for LGB cars by jockelill

Bogies for LGB-cars. Will fit for instance the heavy load car I've created but also other cars. I've added one version with hook holder (standard LGB hook will fit) and one version without holder. I've also added complete files for reference or so you can download and use in your own projects...

www.thingiverse.com

Bogies for LGB cars

Bogies for LGB-cars. Will fit for instance the heavy load car I've created but also other cars. I've added one version with hook holder (standard LGB hook will fit) and one version without holder. I've also added complete files for reference or so you can download and use in your own projects...

cults3d.com

Couplers
Loop and hook

LGB Kupplungshaken

LGB Kupplungshaken für den Sb Tragwagen und andere Modelle es ist ein Remix aus thingiverse thing:4718704 thingiverse thing:4343616 sie wurde so angepasst das sie für meine Bedürfnisse passend waren. Vor allem das abkippen nach unten wurde verbessert LGB coupling hook for the Sb flat car and...

cults3d.com

knuckle

Knuckle Coupler for LGB by dagnall53

Updated Dec 2019:added the "V2" Opening Knuckle versions from the Motorised coupler..Updated Oct 2017: I have added the "fixed 7 degree" version of my revised geometry couplings here. These are single piece parts, and need the lock ring to push them down firmly in the housings. It has similar...

www.thingiverse.com

Link and pin

LGB kupplung mit puffer by GARTENBAHN_POLDERBAAN

for LGB 45770 and more. no chain included ofcourse. advice: metallpin

www.thingiverse.com

Wagon print

Spur G Flachwagen

Flachwagen an Piko G angepasst. Flachkopf 3x10mm für die federn und Senkkopf 3x10 zur haken Befestigung Drehgestell

cults3d.com

That should keep you busy for a while

yes but first i need to get my 3D printer working its been on our to-do list and i my dad needs to get his workshop cleaned first

 

[GAP]

yes but first i need to get my 3D printer working its been on our to-do list and i my dad needs to get his workshop cleaned first

So that should be the next thing on your to do list "help dad clean workshop"

Once that is done I can send a couple of pdf's via PM for freight wagons to help you on your way.
Garrets as far as I know rarely pulled passenger car they were mostly for freight.

Advice I gave my apprentices was always learn to crawl, then to walk and finally to run aka Baby Steps.

Similar advice to what Greg gave you.

I have had G scale since 2009 and only started scratch building in the last 4 years.

 

[Paul M]

Trying to run before you can crawl will end in tears, definitely. Ask any baby! If this is your first attempt, just take your time and expect to have to rethink things out as you go along. And don't splash out too much on your attempts

 

[Greg Elmassian]

Also, you will NOT make everything on the 3D printer, scratchbuilding definitely existed before 3D printers.

You would be well served to get some listings on where to buy styrene sheet and "rod" and what glues to use, and try modifying something at first, adding details.

You will also want some tools, like a razor saw.

There's a lot more to scratchbuilding than a 3d printer.

Greg

 

[GAP]

Also, you will NOT make everything on the 3D printer, scratchbuilding definitely existed before 3D printers.

You would be well served to get some listings on where to buy styrene sheet and "rod" and what glues to use, and try modifying something at first, adding details.

You will also want some tools, like a razor saw.

There's a lot more to scratchbuilding than a 3d printer.

Greg

I built my first boxcars and wagons out of mdf, strips of wood, balsa sheet, some steel for weight and styrene. Built out of necessity because of lack of cash and availability. Lot of my build materials come from my local hardware store.

Common chassis as the base


Boxcar

 

[NorthwestGarrattGuy]

Also, you will NOT make everything on the 3D printer, scratchbuilding definitely existed before 3D printers.

You would be well served to get some listings on where to buy styrene sheet and "rod" and what glues to use, and try modifying something at first, adding details.

You will also want some tools, like a razor saw.

There's a lot more to scratchbuilding than a 3d printer.

Greg

i know that but we don't have the neccesery stuff for molding or brass working and we already have some of all kinds of stuff my grandfather used to do woodworking and we 2 garages full of tools and as for modifying things that was my plan i have some Newqida HSB coaches that i want to rebuild and some old new ray and Eztec stuff as well rebuilding a new ray GP-35

 

[NorthwestGarrattGuy]

I built my first boxcars and wagons out of mdf, strips of wood, balsa sheet, some steel for weight and styrene. Built out of necessity because of lack of cash and availability. Lot of my build materials come from my local hardware store.

Common chassis as the base
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Boxcar
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very helpful since i need several box cars grain hoppers and Molasses cars

 

[GAP]

Molasses or anything else you want to put in it tanker this one will carry Ethanol from the plant next to my sugar cane mill on my cane line.



Made from;

• the basic chassis,
• 100mm PVC pipe and end caps
• 25mm PVC pipe end caps

All from the "Home Depot" equivalent in Aust Bunnings.

 

[NorthwestGarrattGuy]

Molasses or anything else you want to put in it tanker this one will carry Ethanol from the plant next to my sugar cane mill on my cane line.

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Made from;

• the basic chassis,
• 100mm PVC pipe and end caps
• 25mm PVC pipe end caps

All from the "Home Depot" equivalent in Aust Bunnings.

handy well now i have a way to molasses cars without buying from USA trains

 

[PhilP]

A Boxcar (the clue is in the name) is a good starting point..

No matter how hard I try, I still have trouble with 'straight' and 'right-angle'..
A Boxcar has plenty of those, so you get your eye to hand coordination in..

Half a millimetre, either side, along your marked-line, is best-part of an inch on the real thing.

 

[NorthwestGarrattGuy]

A Boxcar (the clue is in the name) is a good starting point..

No matter how hard I try, I still have trouble with 'straight' and 'right-angle'..
A Boxcar has plenty of those, so you get your eye to hand coordination in..

Half a millimetre, either side, along your marked-line, is best-part of an inch on the real thing.

ah i will need a sqauring tool then

 

[Paul M]

No matter how hard I try, I still have trouble with 'straight' and 'right-angle

Same here, so I feel your pain

 

[GAP]

Just to recap;

• We know you want to build a Garret
• what sort of motive power do you currently have, could you start with running short trains?
• How much track do you have laid or do you only have a plan

Have you seen this blog Rik is a very experienced modeller and has a lot of information on the blog

Contents

Narrow gauge large scale model garden railway. Battery powered, radio controlled locomotives, some Bluetooth. Set in Cheshire UK in 1930s

riksrailway.blogspot.com

This is mine not as extensive as Rik's but may give you some ideas.

About the Railway

The Original Layout; The Ringbalin Light Railway consists of two layouts the "Mainline" and the "Cane Line" that operate independently of ea...

ringbalin-light-railway.blogspot.com

 

[tac foley]

While I love your aspirations.

Before making an 80 passenger car, and a complex locomotive, why not make a box car or something more simple.

Then you can learn about trucks, equalization, bolsters, track and wheel gauge, etc.

All fundamentals you will need for more complex things. Say you wanted to be a Formula 1 driver, your first race would not be at Monza or Monaco, but in a go cart on a local track.

Similarly, trying to handle complex things without even the fundamentals seems pretty hard to do, very few people, even mechanical engineers have started at 1,000 miles an hour!

Make something. Learn the basics of 3d printing. Make a simple box car, you will have enough challenges with that. Setting your sights too high initially will probably end in frustration.

Greg

This.

 

[GAP]

ah i will need a sqauring tool then

Any one of these will be invaluable

Squares | STANLEY® Tools

STANLEY® Squares come in a variety of styles including, speed/quick squares, carpenter squares, roofing squares and pocket squares.

www.stanleytools.com

Amazon.com : carpenters square

 

[NorthwestGarrattGuy]

Just to recap;

• We know you want to build a Garret
• what sort of motive power do you currently have, could you start with running short trains?
• How much track do you have laid or do you only have a plan

Have you seen this blog Rik is a very experienced modeller and has a lot of information on the blog

Contents

Narrow gauge large scale model garden railway. Battery powered, radio controlled locomotives, some Bluetooth. Set in Cheshire UK in 1930s

riksrailway.blogspot.com

This is mine not as extensive as Rik's but may give you some ideas.

About the Railway

The Original Layout; The Ringbalin Light Railway consists of two layouts the "Mainline" and the "Cane Line" that operate independently of ea...

ringbalin-light-railway.blogspot.com

well the garratt is something i don't plan on building till May at the earleist since i only have 2 locos and a small loop of track with 3 cabooses (2 of which are cheap plastic ones with bad gauges) 1 hopper 1 passenger car 1 tiny auto rack car and the rest of the eztec set and my railroad is currently indoors

 

[GAP]

Looking at your pictures I would say that the green loco would be a starting point for a kit bash.
Reasons;

• It has an outline that resembles a loco
• It looks to have been an inexpensive buy, so you can go crazy cutting and painting and if you mess it up no you have not lost a lot

The other subjects to start bashing are the green coach and the auto carrier (does it have to be an auto carrier could it not be the frame for a boxcar?).

My first attempt at kit bashing did not end well,I attacked it about 10 times but I learned so much about marking out and cutting along lines as well and designing a finished product. It is still sitting on a shelf looking at me with a sad look but I will attack it again one day and hopefully make something that looks OK.

 

[NorthwestGarrattGuy]

Looking at your pictures I would say that the green loco would be a starting point for a kit bash.
Reasons;

• It has an outline that resembles a loco
• It looks to have been an inexpensive buy, so you can go crazy cutting and painting and if you mess it up no you have not lost a lot

The other subjects to start bashing are the green coach and the auto carrier (does it have to be an auto carrier could it not be the frame for a boxcar?).

My first attempt at kit bashing did not end well,I attacked it about 10 times but I learned so much about marking out and cutting along lines as well and designing a finished product. It is still sitting on a shelf looking at me with a sad look but I will attack it again one day and hopefully make something that looks OK.

well i don't wan't to change the auto rack car and the green passenger car since they were the very first G scale things i got and i have had them since i was 6 years old