Track cleaner from Piko

Zerogee said:
Aha, thanks! I knew I'd seen the title somewhere...... Yes, always good to keep your nuts in a plastic bag for safety..... ;)

Jon.
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Don't you have to hang the bag round your neck? :think:

Especially, in Epping Forest!! :eek:
 
I checked yesterday at my local hobby shop. No new Piko locos in stock yet. I guess we're a month or so behind here. (I might as well just hope someone gets me one for Christmas)
 
dunnyrail said:
Have just managed to get my Piko Non Track Cleaner to bits for investigations into Battery Conversion with Sound and Radio. Hence buying the best valued one rather than the additionally priced BatteryTrack Cleaner. Simple pull apart except for the Cab from the Hood. Trick was to gently lever where the slot in between the two and it started lifting. Almost as tricky as a Playmobil 5258. Only damage was one window surplus glazing broke. But as I plan to remove as much of the surplus plastic around the glazing as possible not an issue. Here she is undressed as it were for any of you too timid to pull one apart, but interested in the guts. In truth if you Chip it with a Piko Chip you will need to do this pull apart except for perhaps the Windows.
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Note all the small bits in a Plastic Bag to save getting lost. Be a while before I attack this little treasure
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I am not allowed to take the Clean Machine to bits, as it belongs to my better half!

But interesting to see all the same. We will bring it over to St Nits sometime....
 
dunnyrail said:
Have just managed to get my Piko Non Track Cleaner to bits for investigations into Battery Conversion with Sound and Radio. Hence buying the best valued one rather than the additionally priced BatteryTrack Cleaner. Simple pull apart except for the Cab from the Hood. Trick was to gently lever where the slot in between the two and it started lifting. Almost as tricky as a Playmobil 5258. Only damage was one window surplus glazing broke. But as I plan to remove as much of the surplus plastic around the glazing as possible not an issue. Here she is undressed as it were for any of you too timid to pull one apart, but interested in the guts. In truth if you Chip it with a Piko Chip you will need to do this pull apart except for perhaps the Windows.
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Can you give us the dimensions (diameter and thickness) of the area for the speaker? Would love to see backside of the cab roof.

Thanks, Greg
Note all the small bits in a Plastic Bag to save getting lost. Be a while before I attack this little treasure
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A tadge under 35mm Diameter. Not being quite sure what you mean by backside of the Cab Roof hope these help.image.jpgimage.jpg
 
Is it the same motor in the blue one as in the battery one Jon?
 
stockers said:
Is it the same motor in the blue one as in the battery one Jon?
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An interesting question.... given that the battery one runs on just 7.2v (6 AAA cells), it goes like the clappers - at least the one Gizzy bought on Sunday seemed to - so if the track-power one uses the same motor and gearing then at full whack of the controller it would be a veritable rail-guided missile..... :eek:

Jon.
 
Wait one... I will get the (cleaner) parts-list....

Parts list gives it as Part No. 36000 ..


Now, if JonD can look up the part number of the standard model?? :think:

Been on Piko webby-site, and the part number is the same for the other models..
So it looks to be the same motor??
 
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PhilP said:
Wait one... I will get the (cleaner) parts-list....

Parts list gives it as Part No. 36000 ..


Now, if JonD can look up the part number of the standard model?? :think:

Been on Piko webby-site, and the part number is the same for the other models..
So it looks to be the same motor??
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Says the same on my paperwork 36000.
 
Greg Elmassian said:
Thank you Jon... that speaker mount is inside the cab roof, right? any idea how deep that area is? might be hard to figure. A small speaker like that won't be very deep at all.

Greg
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Yes in the roof. Almost as near as I can make it, but not quite exactly but very approximately getting on for probably 4.5mm. There is a circuit board that holds any speaker in place and this has a circle of 26mm and the circuit board is probably around 1.75mm deep.
 
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I expect some of the circuitry is power limiting to the motor then.
 
Need to see the boards more clearly, but the cab roof board has 4 wires, 2 for the cab light LED and 2 for the speaker I would guess... I see a small unused what appears to be a 2 pin socket.

The other board appears to have 4 diodes on it...

Not sure I see anything big enough to dissipate power to a motor, it would need a large resistor... of course the 4 diodes could be voltage dropping, but that would not drop much...

an awful lot of wires for little function, and a lot of wires to multiple locations... perhaps the board with all the connectors is supposed to be the interface to DCC if desired.

Jon, what about the manual?

Ahh... the manual is on their site with an electrical diagram... so the motor and track pickups (track power version) are brought out, as well as the 3 leds on the "analog board" which has the wires and screw terminals... and it has a picture of that board with all the sockets:
lighting - in - control from main board with screw terminals
lighting - out - connects to the actual LEDS
function - 8 wires to the board with the lighting and smoke switch and something else
function - 2 wires to the smoke unit (not included, but optional 5v smoke unit and 5 volt regulator board)

The 2 pin socket on the cab roof board seems to be intended to connect to a speaker..


They show a #36122 decoder replacing the main board (I called the screw terminal board) and it wires to the front and rear and cab lights and the smoke unit.... no mention of sounce, but the SUSI interface is pointed out in the diagram... so apparently a separate SUSI sound decoder is required for sound.. plus the speaker of course.


The wiring for the track cleaning loco is simplified, the internal board with all the sockets has less sockets on it, and appears that there is no control over the lights...




Greg
 
Greg Elmassian said:
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They show a #36122 decoder replacing the main board (I called the screw terminal board) and it wires to the front and rear and cab lights and the smoke unit.... no mention of sounce, but the SUSI interface is pointed out in the diagram... so apparently a separate SUSI sound decoder is required for sound.. plus the speaker of course.
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Greg
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That is standard practice for Piko - a SUSI-equipped driving decoder and then if sound is required, a (very expensive!) badge-engineered Uhlenbrock SUSI sound module and speaker kit.

Jon.
 
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