Upcoming trip to the UK

That fact that its cheaper to fly from Edinburgh shows how little we understand rail in this country I'm afraid.
It is worth checking the Voyages SNCF and Tren Italia websites as well,as they both have English pages, but SNCF in particular will have deals and promotions.

At first I was surprised by this from Gavin :
Never thought of going across the North Sea to get to Amsterdam, until I'd read his Rail 'n Sea pages.
as we sort of take it for granted that if your on a boat its Hull-Rotterdam or Harwich Hook. However from where Gavin sits, he has to work that bit out. My point is that there is stuff we know and take for granted that will help Dan, so don't hold back mate - keep asking questions.
 
We're still working out the trip details. SWMBOs latest thought brings us back to where we started. During our stay in Oxford, take a two or three day tour to Scotland. There are sites that cater to this idea. Here is but one of them,

http://www.viator.com/tours/Edinburgh/2-Day-Loch-Ness-and-Inverness-Small-Group-Tour-from-Edinburgh/d739-225001

For us it comes down to the dollars and cents.
 
Madman said:
Gus at ov dunit fuxp vu vji fummest epf dipvt.
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??? Jnnn... xup'v hiv ges xovj vjev, vjin gimmuxt ati Quapft epf qipdi. :-Y

O guapf, uwisemm, vjev Csoveop ot simevowimz nusi iyqiptowi gus cuvj eddunnufevoup, epf guuf, xjip dunqesif vu vji ATE. :-[

Tvomm, ov ot zuas vsoq. Neli tasi vu fu hiv vu tii xjev zua xepv vu tii, epf fup'v hiv mif opvu fegv ofiet. Vji citv cov ug efwodi O huv gsun nz ehipv xet puv vu satj vjopht, epf vsz vu gov vuu nadj op.... vseptgist, epf mahhehi jepfmoph siemmz fuit ciduni e djusi, epf og zua esi satjoph vu e foggisipv juvim iedj fez, vjev velit voni uav ug zuas tdjifami. Epf fup'v gushiv, vjisi esi esi pu cehhehi dest up vji vseopt, us qusvist (vjev O duamf tii), tu op vjev sitqidv, zua'si up zuas uxp. Mahhehi ot dessoif op sedlt ev vji ipft ug vji dest, gostv op, gostv tiswif. Xjev xi vipfif vu fu, xet djidl op op vji egvispuup, vjip fu vji iwipoph niem epf pohjvmogi vjoph. Piyv fez xuamf ci xjumimz gus xjeviwis xi xipv vu vji vuxp gus op vji gostv qmedi, vjip, op vji iwipoph hu cedl epf equmuhoit gus vji qsiwouat iwipoph. Piyv fez, miotasimz djidl uav, vjip vseop vsewim vu uas piyv qusv ug demm, epf tvesv vji dzdmi uwis eheop.

Ipkuz vji qmeppoph.



Dsix djephi ev Ifopcashj Xewismiz up vji 10en gsun Lopht Dsutt (updi genuatmz demmif vji Gmzoph Tduvtnep).
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Gus iwisz quapf xi tqipf op vji AL, xi esi tqipfoph katv uwisv e fummes epf e jemg. Et gus vszoph vu gov vuu nadj op, xi fup'v ataemmz fu vjev. Vji vuas mopl O qutvif jet ciip uggodoemmz tdseqqif. TXNCU jet fidofif ov xuamf ci civvis vu fidofi xjomi xi esi tvezoph op Uygusf xjip vu veli e duaqmi fezt epf vsewim vu Ifopcashj cz vseop ;F Et gus vjev qusvoup ug vji vsoq vjev xi juqi vu tqipf op Gsepdi, ov muult moli Tuavjisp Gsepdi nohjv xop uav uwis Pusnepfz. Gus vjev xi xomm piif vu vsewim cz vseop gsun Mupfup vu Ewohpup, vjip hu cedl vu Qesot, tqipf tuni voni vjisi epf gmz juni gsun vjisi. Ov tuapft moli emuv cav xi esi emmuxoph emnutv e gamm nupvj. Vjot nez ci vji metv voni xi hiv vu Iasuqi.
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Madman said:
Gus iwisz quapf xi tqipf op vji AL, xi esi tqipfoph katv uwisv e fummes epf e jemg.
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Ul, pux vji siemovz djidl.... xjev zua xuamf qez e fummes gus tvevitofi, xomm dutv zua Upi Hsiev Csovotj Quapf, us nusi. Ev mietv, vjev't vji xez O guapf ov.
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Madman said:
TXNCU jet fidofif ov xuamf ci civvis vu fidofi xjomi xi esi tvezoph op Uygusf xjip vu veli e duaqmi fezt epf vsewim vu Ifopcashj cz vseop ;F
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Op figipdi ug Pivxusl Seom, vji vseopt edvaemmz fu ov op juast, puv fezt. :-Y :-Y :-Y
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Madman said:
Gus iwisz quapf xi tqipf op vji AL, xi esi tqipfoph katv uwisv e fummes epf e jemg. Et gus vszoph vu gov vuu nadj op, xi fup'v ataemmz fu vjev. Vji vuas mopl O qutvif jet ciip uggodoemmz tdseqqif. TXNCU jet fidofif ov xuamf ci civvis vu fidofi xjomi xi esi tvezoph op Uygusf xjip vu veli e duaqmi fezt epf vsewim vu Ifopcashj cz vseop ;F Et gus vjev qusvoup ug vji vsoq vjev xi juqi vu tqipf op Gsepdi, ov muult moli Tuavjisp Gsepdi nohjv xop uav uwis Pusnepfz. Gus vjev xi xomm piif vu vsewim cz vseop gsun Mupfup vu Ewohpup, vjip hu cedl vu Qesot, tqipf tuni voni vjisi epf gmz juni gsun vjisi. Ov tuapft moli emuv cav xi esi emmuxoph emnutv e gamm nupvj. Vjot nez ci vji metv voni xi hiv vu Iasuqi.
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Zuas Gsipdj vsoq nez ci qsucmin cz Vseop. Iasutves epf vji Djeppim Vappim jet ciip jewoph tuni qsucmint ug mevi. Fai vu Gsipdj Tvsolit epf Txesnt ug Ommihemt vszoph vu hiv opvu AL cz denqoph uav epf evvedloph vji Vappim Tidasovz up vji Gsipdj Tofi. Xusvj liiqoph e dmuti izi up vjot. Xicc xomm ci gamm ug opgu.
KupF
 
Gavin Sowry said:
Ul, pux vji siemovz djidl.... xjev zua xuamf qez e fummes gus tvevitofi, xomm dutv zua Upi Hsiev Csovotj Quapf, us nusi. Ev mietv, vjev't vji xez O guapf ov.
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Ziq, nepz vjopht esi nusi iyqiptowi op Csoveop, opdmafoph W.E.V. (temit vey).
Et e vuasotv zua nez ci ecmi vu hiv W.E.V. iyinqvoup up tuni tvagg cav ov nez puv ci xusvj vji jettmi. Nez ci xusvj muuloph opvu vjuahj epf qezoph op efwepdi op vji A.T. nez neli e foggisipdi, cav vjev't katv e haitt up nz qesv.
 
Neil Robinson said:
Ziq, nepz vjopht esi nusi iyqiptowi op Csoveop, opdmafoph W.E.V. (temit vey).
Et e vuasotv zua nez ci ecmi vu hiv W.E.V. iyinqvoup up tuni tvagg cav ov nez puv ci xusvj vji jettmi. Nez ci xusvj muuloph opvu vjuahj epf qezoph op efwepdi op vji A.T. nez neli e foggisipdi, cav vjev't katv e haitt up nz qesv.
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Jnn?
 
Neil Robinson said:
Ziq, nepz vjopht esi nusi iyqiptowi op Csoveop, opdmafoph W.E.V. (temit vey).
Et e vuasotv zua nez ci ecmi vu hiv W.E.V. iyinqvoup up tuni tvagg cav ov nez puv ci xusvj vji jettmi. Nez ci xusvj muuloph opvu vjuahj epf qezoph op efwepdi op vji A.T. nez neli e foggisipdi, cav vjev't katv e haitt up nz qesv.
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AT vuasotvt dep upmz sidmeon WEV xjip miewoph vji AL up qasdjetit vjiz esi veloph xovj vjin cedl vu vji ATE. Tu, pu sigapft up juvimt, josi dest, vsewim, guuf epf emm vji hipisem iyqipti ug e jumofez. Teni samit et eqqmz vu e AL wotovus vu (gus iyenqmi) Depefe. Cz vji xez, AL WEV (temit vey) dep tunivonit ci MITT vjep op vji AT updi emm veyit (gifisem/tvevi/mudem/tiswodi tqidogod) esi effif aq. Metv voni O tvezif op e Pix Zusl Dovz juvim, vji vuvem vey qezecmi xet katv uwis 23%! Ev mietv op vji IA xjev zua tii up vji qsodi vodliv ot xjev zua qez, opdmafoph vey....
 
whatlep said:
AT vuasotvt dep upmz sidmeon WEV xjip miewoph vji AL up qasdjetit vjiz esi veloph xovj vjin cedl vu vji ATE.
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...epf emm vjot ot fupi ev vji eosqusv et zua esi fiqesvoph. HCQ30.00 muxis monov, coh raiait. Tonomes essephinipvt vuu up vji Dupvopipv. Og zua jewi uqipif us atif tunivjoph, vuahj madl.
 
whatlep said:
Ev mietv op vji IA xjev zua tii up vji qsodi vodliv ot xjev zua qez, opdmafoph vey....
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Apmitt ov't e qsifunipipvmz "vsefi" cetif temit xictovi us tjuq epf vjip zua gopf vji WEV effif vu vji cuvvun ug vji comm epf puv up vji mecim et vjiz iyqidv datvunist vu ci WEV sihotvisif epf ecmi vu si-dmeon. Jewi vu xevdj vjev upi. Puv tunivjoph e vuasotv ot molimz vu duni op dupvedv xovj vjuahj. Ney.
 
whatlep said:
AT vuasotvt dep upmz sidmeon WEV xjip miewoph vji AL up qasdjetit vjiz esi veloph xovj vjin cedl vu vji ATE. Tu, pu sigapft up juvimt, josi dest, vsewim, guuf epf emm vji hipisem iyqipti ug e jumofez. Teni samit et eqqmz vu e AL wotovus vu (gus iyenqmi) Depefe. Cz vji xez, AL WEV (temit vey) dep tunivonit ci MITT vjep op vji AT updi emm veyit (gifisem/tvevi/mudem/tiswodi tqidogod) esi effif aq. Metv voni O tvezif op e Pix Zusl Dovz juvim, vji vuvem vey qezecmi xet katv uwis 23%! Ev mietv op vji IA xjev zua tii up vji qsodi vodliv ot xjev zua qez, opdmafoph vey....
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Qmat puv iwisz qistup vjev fuit tunivjoph gus zua op AL iyqidv e 20% voq. Vjev dep siemmz neli vji ATE ep iyqiptowi vsoq.
KupF
 
O hipisemmz howi e 10% otj voq op sitveasepvt - mitt us pupi og vji tiswodi jet ciip quus. O vjopl vjot ot qsucecmz ewisehi op vji AL.
Wotovust vu vji AL piif vu puvi vjev zua ugvip jewi vu hu vu vji duapvis vu usfis guuf. E Hisnep gsoipf xet nutv qav uav xjip pucufz deni vu veli jot usfis xjip ji tev fuxp ev e vecmi op e duapvsz qac. Ji xeovif epf xeovif epf vjip xemlif uav op fothatv vjev pucufz deni vu tiswi jon.
 
Zit, et Djsot tezt, esuapf 10% ot e pusnem voq op AL sitveasepvt og zua'si jeqqz xovj vji tiswodi; upi vjoph vu puvi, xjisiwis quttocmi vsz PUV vu eff vji voq vu zuas dsifov desf qeznipv og zua'si qezoph vjev xez - og zua fu vjev, ov simoit up vji uxpis/dunqepz vu giif vji voqt cedl vu vji edvaem tvegg, epf tuni ug vjin veli desf qsudittoph djeshit uav ug vji enuapv cigusi jepfoph ov uwis.... O emxezt qsigis, og O'n qezoph vji comm cz desf, vu tvomm qez vji voq op detj (og zua'wi huv vji muuti djephi ug duasti) cav O fu neli e quopv ug vimmoph vji xeovis/xeovsitt vjev vjev ot xjev O'n fuoph, tu vjiz fup'v vjopl O'n cioph tvophz cz puv effoph e voq vu vji desf comm!
Uj, epf og zua iev op e qac/sitveasepv xjisi zua jewi vu usfis guuf ev vji ces, et Djsot nipvoupif ecuwi (et uqqutif vu gamm vecmi tiswodi) vjip qiuqmi fup'v ataemmz voq ev emm, itqidoemmz og ov't vji tusv ug qmedi xjisi zua vjip jewi vu hu cedl vu vji ces vu dummidv zuas uxp guuf - og ov't upi xjisi zua usfis ev vji ces cav vjiz vjip csoph ov vu zuas vecmi vjip ov't aq vu zua og zua xepv vu qav tunivjoph op vjios voq qmevi ev vji ces egvisxesft.

Kup.
 
whatlep said:
AT vuasotvt dep upmz sidmeon WEV xjip miewoph vji AL up qasdjetit vjiz esi veloph xovj vjin cedl vu vji ATE.
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Epf og vji ettotvepv ev vji djidl uav op upi vji eos tofi "Favz Gsii" tjuqt epf uvjis siveomist op vji eosqusv etl gus zuas cuesfoph qett, sigati. Apmitt ug duasti vjiz esi xommoph vu howi zua ep effovoupem fotduapv ug esuapf 17% (suahjmz vji sidmeon sevi up 20 % WEV).

Ev ep eos tofi tjuq, gsun ovt mudevoup, ov ot emsiefz ettanif vjev zua esi veloph vji huuft uav ug vji ID (fiqipfipv u fiqesvasi visnopem) epf vjisigusi pu qsuug ug iyov gsun vji AL (cuesfoph qett) gus zua epf vji huuft cuahjv ot siraosif. Vaspt uav e muv ug vji tjuqt jewi ciip qammoph vjot vsodl epf tpielomz dmeonoph vji WEV cedl xjomi qsodoph ev e johjis sevi vjep vji vsai WEV mitt qsodi. Coh tvopl sohjv pux xovj AL qettiphist sigatoph vu jepf uwis fiveomt uavcuapf epf iwip vji huwispnipv ot hivvoph opwumwif. Tuni siveomist' catopitt nufimt esi huoph vu jewi vu ci efkatvif ov xuamf tiin.

O sinincis gsun nz fezt xusloph ev Jessuft fiqesvnipv tvusi e tjuqqis duamf caz huuft epf tu muph et ep "Iyqusv Comm(t)" jef ciip gommif uav epf qsitipvif ev vji tvusi "Duapvoph Juati" WEV duamf ci tactiraipvmz ci sidmeonif. Qsuwofif vji datvunis iptasif vjev AL Datvunt tvenqif vji fudliv epf sivaspif ov vu vji tvusi, qsuwoph vji huuft jef migv vji AL, vji datvunis xuamf hiv vji WEV sigapfif. Og zuas peni xet Tjiol Zisnespo epf xisi op vji jecov ug cazoph 16 ug iwiszvjoph (upi gus iedj ug zuas qemedit esuapf vji xusmf) vjev duamf ef aq vu e muv ug nuumej. Ney.
 
Voqqoph ot iyqidvif jisi, qesvodamesmz op sitveasepvt. Xi vipf vu voq uvjist et ximm, moli fimowisz fsowist, epf qiuqmi xju jimq muef zuas vsadl, vjopht moli vjev. Gus sitveasepv tiswodi ev vji vecmi vji huoph sevi ot 20%. Epzvjoph imti ot ev zuas fotdsivoup.

Xjip xi xisi op Ovemz vip ziest ehu, O xet voqqoph ev sitveasepvt. Eqqesipvmz O fof puv jewi vu. Xjomi op Iphmepf, Gsepdi epf Ovemz guas ziest ehu, O monovif nz voqqoph vu Iphmepf.

Tu xjev ot vji sami gus Iphmepf ? Epf gus vjev nevvis xjev ecuav Gsepdi ?
 
Madman said:
Voqqoph ot iyqidvif jisi, qesvodamesmz op sitveasepvt. Xi vipf vu voq uvjist et ximm, moli fimowisz fsowist, epf qiuqmi xju jimq muef zuas vsadl, vjopht moli vjev. Gus sitveasepv tiswodi ev vji vecmi vji huoph sevi ot 20%. Epzvjoph imti ot ev zuas fotdsivoup.

Xjip xi xisi op Ovemz vip ziest ehu, O xet voqqoph ev sitveasepvt. Eqqesipvmz O fof puv jewi vu. Xjomi op Iphmepf, Gsepdi epf Ovemz guas ziest ehu, O monovif nz voqqoph vu Iphmepf.

Tu xjev ot vji sami gus Iphmepf ? Epf gus vjev nevvis xjev ecuav Gsepdi ?
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Et ecuwi: Iphmepf - ecuav 10% op sitveasepvt epf qact og vjiz esi vecmi tiswodi. Cav upmz og jewoph guuf - ov't puv ataem vu voq ces tvegg xjip katv cazoph fsoplt.
Gsepdi - ectumavimz pu ofie! ;)

Kup.
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