Massoth in-to lgb ge4/4 111

Re: sounds
If I understand you right, you want to have different sounds when the panto goes up and when it goes down on one function key / one panto. That is not possible as far as I know.
 
Push f7 then try F3 on my Albula F3 twice (2 pushes) sends it down and three sends it up , plus there is a intermediate state where they react with direction changes
ry this before you alter cvs
 
Hi Loco,
you got it right. As Massoth XLS has both sounds, it would be nice to synchronize them with real panto movement. I will read carefully the XLS manual although I anticipate you are right in saying it. S not possible.

Thank you Ed, I will give it a try, if it is the same loco it should also work for mine !. I will tell you in the morning.

Cheers
Jose
 
Hello,
today I chipped two Ge 4/4-III, with XLS the BCU and the Unerhört, both behave as expected and the pantos react to F2 and F3.

In view of this I open up again my Bernina Express and played a little. Changing panto's cabling makes F3 to work and F2 not to. Therefore I conclude that there is something wrong with the main board (aarrgggg!!), or with the cables..... Did any of you have faced this problem before ?.

I also have a Lanxess that I also chipped with an XLS, however it has no automatic pantos, have you tried to fit a motor or a servo to make them work ??.
Thank's for your feedback...
Jose
 
Following on from my experience with the blue MOB..
I have just got hold of a Vals 634 (sorry, not sure how to differentiate the different models) and the pantographs work as they should.. F3 up/down and F7 for mode of operation.

Now, if I can work out if one of the noises in the S decoder is a pantograph, I can make F3 trigger the noise as well as control the panto. - Possibly defaults to something between F9 to F12.
Can anyone point me in the right direction please?

Phil.
 
You have to check the soundsheet for the S/LS/XLS for the Ge 4/4 III. It can be downloaded at the Massoth page.

CV137 is the function key for sound of panto going up, CV138 is the function key for sound of panto going down. Choose which one you want to use with F2 and F3 and program the function key number in for each of them. For example: CV137=2 and C138=3.

You should probably program the S-decoder without having the LGB onboard decoder connected to avoid possible conflicts with shared CV numbers.
 
did not realise there was a list of sounds.. Will check on that, thanks.

Agreed over programming.. Though, in theory, can use address 320 to program the s decoder (if I have understood it correctly).
thanks again,
Phil.
 
The high address range (CV940 and upwards) can only be used if the S-decoder is connected to the onboard decoder via SUSI. The LGB onboard decoder doesn't speak that language well, and you are stuck with the low range CVs.
 
?? Not sure we are not talking cross-purposes??
S decoder is new stock (did anybody have any left?).. No need for a speaker as load when programming, LED flashes to show it is being programmed, and manual infers that address 320 is available as a discreet programming address..
Not sure if you have two differently numbered decoders, and select one, you can program just the selected decoder.. Will have to dig the book out for my Digitrax.
 
I was under the impression that none of the new design S decoders were shipped.
 
muns said:
I was under the impression that none of the new design S decoders were shipped.
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just a few, production was stopped caused by handling problems with a new smt-package of one chip. I was able to buy a few from the old design for spare.

I use the -S decoder combined with LGB(Massoth) Onboard-decoder. The old bare-board of the 4/4-III with 6pole interface is buggy and will not work with an XLS plus Goldcap in analog-mode. Locomotive will not stop running until the buffer is empty, caused by some leakage current of the 6pole i/f-board. So a separate motor- and a separate sound-decoder is the best solution if you need to use the model also in analogue mode with buffered Sound.

This tooks me more than one year of experience....hard work. Whenever I am expecting these old style bare-boards, I throw them away to the trash.

regards,

Michael
 
Phil, my reply was based on the old S-decoder limitations. If you have a new one things are different as you state.
Michael, when throwing out the LGB onboard 6-pole interface decoders, what option have you chosen to control the pantographs?
 
I was able to buy some of new type pantograph-control-boards on ebay, like this:
http://www.ebay.de/itm/LGB-ERSATZTE...ageName=ADME:B:EOIBUAA:DE:3160#ht_2794wt_1067

The pantograph-plugs will also fit into the 6pole-STOCKO-plugs, and the board itself connects to the sound plug (red) on the LGB-onboard. I've installed the eMotion-S on the Track-connectors of the Onboard, have a look here:

http://modellbahnen.cadosch.org/jos/forum/4-gartenbahn/3733-wie-eine-original-coop-lok-ueberlebt-hat

It's german, but I made a lot of pictures how things will fit into the loco.
regards,
Michael
P.S: I've found the forum here while looking for a tip how to fit a Massoth-XL into my Mallet-locos, a very nice description here!
 
Hi Mark,
Not having seen an S decoder before.. I can only go on what it says in the manual..
As it has a LED to indicate programming activity, I presume it is a new version??
The manual infers that if a volume pot is connected, it will detect it and alter CV 200 accordingly. - This does not appear to work!
Phil.
 
If a LED is installed, it's one of the rare new version. the old one did not have it and the old one needs a speaker as a load. Uhhhh, programing a new sound is a very noisy activity for some minutes! I added an 8 Ohm Resistor instead...

the aotomatic detection of a poti was included in some eMotuion decoders, but it was not working. ASFAIR it's removed from all actual firmwares.
program CV200 = 255 will work.

regards,
Michael
 
Hi again,
last week I chipped another Ge4/4 III, it is the one coming with set 70642 Maienfeld. Comes with a 6 pins decoder interface an it is relatively easy to do.
I keep stepping on the same problem, the pantos. With F3 the rear panto raised or lowered, F2 did not produce any response from the front panto. As I read in this thread that F7 changes panto behavior I did press F7 an unknown number of times ...... so now F2 and F3 do nothing (ggrrrr....). So my question is: is there any documentation, relative to these series of locos that explain how to control and modify panto functionality?.
As usual, I am most grateful to your good feedback.
Regards, Jose
 
Sorry to dig up an old thread. The manual for the LGB 20420 MOB Ge 4/4 III states that the pantographs on loco's upgraded to Digital are activated by pressing the function button 2 or 3 times. Perhaps the old circuit board will only respond to serial commands? The circuit board in the older Ge 4/4 III's also looks different to the one in the eBay link in one of the previous posts.
 
Sorry to dig up an old thread. The manual for the LGB 20420 MOB Ge 4/4 III states that the pantographs on loco's upgraded to Digital are activated by pressing the function button 2 or 3 times. Perhaps the old circuit board will only respond to serial commands? The circuit board in the older Ge 4/4 III's also looks different to the one in the eBay link in one of the previous posts.
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I believe this board, like the #641 Maienfeld board, respond only to serial input so you'll have to set your Navigator or whatever DCC unit you are using to serial pulse mode for that locomotive. If you are using MTSIII or Massoth you can set each locomotive individually for serial or parallel. I'm sorry my memory isn't too good but I think pushing F7 changes the operation from manual to automatic mode for the pantos, and then F2/3 (or whichever it was) will put them up and down when F7 is in manual mode. So to clarify, when in automatic mode the direction of the loco will dictate whether the front or back panto goes up/down, but you can still have them both stay down by pushing the F2/3(whatever) function button. When in manual mode direction is immaterial--the pantos only respond to the F2/3 and you keep pressing it to get what you want (up/down). Hope that makes some sense!

Keith
 
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