NEWQIDA COACHES

White balance on some cameras can do strange things to colours. I know on mine the reds can go light crimson and the greens get darker. Even tac's two images are very different to each other.
Going by tac's video, his coaches are much darker and reasonably close to the images below.

MÁV coach at Welshpool and Llanfair Railway.
Welshpool & Llanfair makes progress on their 'Disability First' project

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MÁV Class 242 4-4-4T at the Hungarian Railway Museum
MÁV Class 242 - Wikipedia

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Paradise said:
White balance on some cameras can do strange things to colours. I know on mine the reds can go light crimson and the greens get darker. Even tac's two images are very different to each other.
Going by tac's video, his coaches are much darker and reasonably close to the images below.

MÁV coach at Welshpool and Llanfair Railway.
Welshpool & Llanfair makes progress on their 'Disability First' project

MAVoldNew.jpg
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The coach on the right is the correct RAL colour for MÁV coaching stock. The one on the left is pure Welsh imagination.
 
tac foley said:
The coach on the right is the correct RAL colour for MÁV coaching stock. The one on the left is pure Welsh imagination.
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Hooley dooley! I thought it would be the other way around. :think: Come to think about it, the new shiny paint confirms what you say.
In any case, I like the added lavatory, interior decoration and choppers on your coaches tac. :nod:
 
tac foley said:
I explone already that it was a frame grab, okay? Anyhow, my fellow Hungarian train nut, Czongor Varga, who lives there, says it's an acceptable variation in a gazillion shades of green. Quote - Én nem aggódni a szín. Láttam, hogy mindenféle különböző attól függően, hogy melyik vonalat az edzők voltak, Magyarország teljes területén. Is, mindegyik csak volna egy egyszerű MÁV megnevezése helyett a régi MÁV Hungária. Van egy vasútvonal néhány kilométerre, ahol a nyaraló a Balatonnál. :p
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Well, I was only endorsing Paradise's view, which, in terms of colour rendition, your frame grab also supports. If as your friend says there are all sorts of colours (shades of green) that can be used depending on the line on which the coaches ran, then there is no need for any disagreement over colours, just the knowledge that colour variations are possible.
 
playmofire said:
Well, I was only endorsing Paradise's view, which, in terms of colour rendition, your frame grab also supports. If as your friend says there are all sorts of colours (shades of green) that can be used depending on the line on which the coaches ran, then there is no need for any disagreement over colours, just the knowledge that colour variations are possible.
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Could have posted her Dad's classic version, of course, but figured this was just a little different..... ;)

Jon.
 
tac foley said:
The coach on the right is the correct RAL colour for MÁV coaching stock. The one on the left is pure Welsh imagination.
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It would be interesting to see the right hand version with a gloss finish as a gloss finish affects the depth of a colour, as does ageing. The colour of the left hand coach does seem closer to the Hungarian Railway Museum loco restoration. Maybe both are right taking account of ageing etc.
 
You are all going to have to trust me, but I wasn't really minded to replicate anything exactly, after getting stiffed by the W&Ll when I asked them for details of the paint. I simply went into H*lfords and picked a nice bright green - unbelievably, this is called Ford Modena green, Ford's take on Italian racing green, no doubt.

Since making them I've installed full under-frame data lettering as well, having found the correct Hungarian font with which to do it correctly. The wc windows - Venetian blinds - are pieces cut from a Chinese takeaway gizzit calendar, and are very realistic. The interior posters are the sailing times and pretty pics of a Lake Balatón excursion steamer. The 'mirrror' are bits cut out of a packaging for ladies disposable nail files. The 358 slats are just that - thin slats of wood, varnished for effect. The vertical grab-rails are small diameter alloy tubing set on the floor in r/c installation bulkhead grommets from our local airplane modellers' store.
 
tac foley said:
You are all going to have to trust me, but I wasn't really minded to replicate anything exactly, after getting stiffed by the W&Ll when I asked them for details of the paint. I simply went into H*lfords and picked a nice bright green - unbelievably, this is called Ford Modena green, Ford's take on Italian racing green, no doubt.
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Sometimes you just have to go with what's out there and if you like it, that's all that matters. :nod:
That didn't work for the WHR when they painted the NGG-16 garratt. :shake: Edison Energy, their sponsor made them paint it again to the exact company colour. I wonder how many rattle cans they wasted? :D

Speaking of greens. I have an early release Accucraft IOM Loch in 'Spring green' also called 'Alisa green'. Apparently the colour was guesstimated for or by Accucraft then after the model was released, a part was discovered at the IOM with some of the original Spring green still on it. It was a few shades darker so later releases of IOM locomotives from Accucraft are slightly darker. I'm not too worried as everything fades, loses it's rich gloss, gets grubby etc. An old red Chevrolet painted in red nitrocellulose lacquer usually faded to a pinkish colour. Old 60's Fender stratocaster guitars changed colour because of the yellowing of the nitro clear top coat. Red pigments seem to suffer the most.
 
Paradise said:
....... I'm not too worried as everything fades, loses it's rich gloss, gets grubby etc. An old red Chevrolet painted in red nitrocellulose lacquer usually faded to a pinkish colour. Old 60's Fender stratocaster guitars changed colour because of the yellowing of the nitro clear top coat. Red pigments seem to suffer the most.
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Yep, for many years I had a red Toyota van which was more of a matt pink by the time I finally sold it.....

A classic railway-related example is of course the red-and-cream Harz coaches - some folks get fussy about not mixing up the "LGB red" versions and the more "realistic" darker red ones (later LGB and TL45), but on my visit to the line a couple of years back there were so many different shades of red paint in evidence (especially if you counted some of the older mothballed stock at Westerntor yard) that I came home happy that pratically any shade - or mix of shades - will be just fine!

Jon.
 
Being a member of the Great Northern Railroad Historical Association I was able to help out a pal a few years back when he was replicating the entire 'Empire Builder' consist. There were TEN shades of green in common shop usage during the steam era, so any and all of them would be right. Here you see my Gauge 1 live-steam CP Royal Hudson hauling this drop-dead gorgeous set of cars -


Turn up the voluminatement and listen to that exhaust beat!!!
 
Paradise said:
Lovely setting in the garden. Nice and 'green'.
Is that a private layout or a club one tac?
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It's a private track, and since that movie was made, has had a whole lot of improvements, including extra branch lines and a spiffy GWR/S&D style through station and branch-line terminus.
 
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