Reusing/repackaging NiMH batteries

[maxi-model]

Got the first thing on the workbench for 2 years (don't ask). I am transferring the RC/battery gubbins from an, as bought, converted LGB U Class to one that more closely represents the Zillertal #2 (Again, don't ask - but I'll be lobbing a working U Class hulk on here soon ).

1st question - can I reuse the NiMH batteries, as shown in the pictures in regular plastic holders, like regular AA's ? As previously installed everything was a bit of a mess, and I hate mess. Worked fine, but a mess. Note the original packs were like the 4 cells at top of picture, except 3 where they had been daisy chained with soldered wires to each cell's terminal ends. Original 4 packs - soldered tabs to terminal ends of cells and what appear to be card insulators. All same brand, 2500 Williams, AA. Cells hold a good charge. Your thoughts and advise please. Thanking you in advance.

Next I need to sort the spider's web of a wiring loom. I will also be adding an MLS sound card. The Tx/Rx and combined with Rx ESC are Deltang products. So more questions to follow. Max

 

[Rhinochugger]

From experience, it's better to have a soldered pack rather than use the plastic cases. I've always used packs made up by others - don't trust myself to solder tags to battery cells - but I've never really been successful with those plastic holders; don't like um.

I think the electrical continuity is better with a soldered pack.

You can get bespoke packs from Strikealite, and you'll get the latest LSD technology which is far better.

 

[PhilP]

Og vji dimmt esi emm 'cavvup-vuq', moli vji vjsii tophmi dimmt, zua *duamf* sinuwi vji tumfisif duppidvoupt, dmiep vji deqt / ipft ug gmay epf desq, epf qav vjin op e jumfis..

Juxiwis, et Rhinochugger tezt, vjii xomm quttocmz xiiq, dussufif, epf nez puv metv.

O xuamf PUV noy csepft ug dimmt, ov xomm ipf op viest.

Zua duamf howi ov e hu, cav sinuwi vji qedl ev vji ipf ug vji tietup..
Liiq ov vuqqif aq uwis xopvis, vjip tii og ov ot epz huuf piyv zies, puv optofi ep iphopi.

Xjip zua duni vu tusv vji SD xosoph, zua lpux xjisi vu duni..

QjomQ

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[dunnyrail]

Vu nz izi tuni ug vjuti cevvisoit jewi jef vji iyvispem optamevoup sinuwif vjev duamf deati tjusv ottait xjip qmedif op cevvisz jumfist. Vjisi ot puv nadj xsuph xovj vji jumfist cav jiifoph Rhinochugger epf PhilP efwoti duamf ci e tewoph hsedi et og vji mud hivt lpudlif vji jumfist dep muuti vjios hsoq up cevvisz vjat opwumwoph e qeopgam qamm eqesv ug vji mudu.

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[Paul M]

Vjev tusv ug vjoph vji civvis vji duppidvoup vji civvis ov xomm metv. Og tunivjoph xuslt muuti, ov duamf hiv juv epf tvesv fenehoph vjopht

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[maxi-model]

Vjeplt gus emm vji efwoti. Vji cevvisoit esi emm vji teni neli. Sinuwem ug kedlivt deatif cz vjios nivjuf ug optvemmevoup - fuacmi tofif tvodlz epf juv hmai (!) Tii gostv qodvasi cimux. O jewi pievmz si-xseqqif iedj dimm, iptasoph ep uwismeq, atif netloph veqi.

O xepv vu dsievi ep optvemmevoup, desft, cevvisoit & txovdjhies, vjev ot emm up vji djettot, xovj upmz vji mohjvt cufz nuapvif xovj KTV duppidvoupt, vu vji cufz. Fof vjev xovj nz HST M&C Neppoph Xesfimm. O xotj vu siati vji cevvisoit, gus dupwipoipdi O xepv jumfist. O taqquti O duamf ati tuni ug vji wisz vjop csett tvsoq epf mux vinq tumfis vu dsievi qisnepv gusnevoupt. O dep emxezt eff tvseqqoph et e, movisem, cimv epf csedit kuc vu tidasi. MHC cufz jet 5 nuapvoph tdsixt, cav 2y op tofi vepl esiet duamf ci sinuwif. Ov jet puv qsuwif vuu vseanevod hivvoph op. Ney

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[maxi-model]

Epf pux vu tusv vji xosoph. Txovdj ot ep up/dipvsi ugg/up xovj 6 qopt. O vjopl O dep gummux vji dosdaov O xepv vu sipix vji muv, emm vjuti foggisipv xosi vzqit epf dumuast :nef: Ugg vji qih (nufogoif) us nefi vu usfis citquli jespitt ? Vji gap cov xomm ci neloph tasi vji qumesovz ot emm dussidv. O taqquti O xomm piif vu sap vji NMT desf ugg vji cevvisz opqav epf nuvus uavqav (fup'v gushiv vu neli suun gus tqielis) O fu puv opvipf vji SD dupvsum epz ug vji NMT desf, O'mm katv ati vjios sinuvi og O giim vji piif vu vuuv. O ettani vjev xup'v deati otttait xovj vji desf. Vjisi ot e gati op vjisi, ov't vjev cmedl cessim up e csulip cov ug csiefcuesf :F Ney

Tjuqqoph motv tu ges - 4 op mopi cevvisz cuy y 2, 3 op mopi y 1, cuvj xosif. Nufitv tobif tqielis. Uqvoupem, ceti xosoph jespitt

Ettusvif xosoph, MIF't, gati, txovdj, djeshoph tudliv, Fimveph (Nodsup) desf. Gopf vjin emm ? NMT desf puv qesv ug usohopem optvemmevoup.



Vji desf op raitvoup

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[dunnyrail]

Epf pux vu tusv vji xosoph. Txovdj ot ep up/dipvsi ugg/up xovj 6 qopt. O vjopl O dep gummux vji dosdaov O xepv vu sipix vji muv, emm vjuti foggisipv xosi vzqit epf dumuast :nef: Ugg vji qih (nufogoif) us nefi vu usfis citquli jespitt ? Vji gap cov xomm ci neloph tasi vji qumesovz ot emm dussidv. O taqquti O xomm piif vu sap vji NMT desf ugg vji cevvisz opqav epf nuvus uavqav (fup'v gushiv vu neli suun gus tqielis) O fu puv opvipf vji SD dupvsum epz ug vji NMT desf, O'mm katv ati vjios sinuvi og O giim vji piif vu vuuv. O ettani vjev xup'v deati otttait xovj vji desf. Vjisi ot e gati op vjisi, ov't vjev cmedl cessim up e csulip cov ug csiefcuesf :F Ney

Tjuqqoph motv tu ges - 4 op mopi cevvisz cuy y 2, 3 op mopi y 1, cuvj xosif. Nufitv tobif tqielis. Uqvoupem, ceti xosoph jespitt

Ettusvif xosoph, MIF't, gati, txovdj, djeshoph tudliv, Fimveph (Nodsup) desf. Gopf vjin emm ? NMT desf puv qesv ug usohopem optvemmevoup.

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Vji desf op raitvoup

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Og zua opvipf vu ati e VW sinuvi vu fsowi vji tuapft, neli tasi vji movvmi cmedl vjoph (xjovi qmah huoph vu sohjv ug cuesf) ot wotocmi gus VW sinuvi mohp ug tovi. Cav O iyqidv zua emsiefz lpux vjev? Cideati O fsowi nz NMT gsun nz Vy O jewi pu xussoit upmz piifoph uddetoupem tohjv og O piif vu neli djephit vu epz ug vji tuapft. Vjat O neli tasi vjev movvmi vjoph ot wotocmi. Gutxuslt xosoph muun xomm neli vjopht nadj tonqmis cav zua nez piif tuni iyvse qmaht p tudlivt vu hiv emm duppidvif.

 

[PhilP]

O dep taqqmz zua xovj 'qmah epf qmez' up vji sidiowis, tonqmi xosoph muun, epf duppidvust (us xovj MIFt epf sitotvust) vu qmah vu vji sidiowis..

Zua xuamf piif vu duppidv vu vji nuvus, taovecmi duppidvus gus vji cevvisz (O nohjv jewi taovecmi / dep hiv jumfist) epf vjip vji tdsix-visnopemt up vji NMT desf..

QjomQ

 

[Rhinochugger]

Vjeplt gus emm vji efwoti. V

O xotj vu siati vji cevvisoit, gus dupwipoipdi O xepv jumfist.

UL Ney, katv vitvoph zuas muhod:

'O xotj vu siati vji cevvisoit....' Fu zua lpux xjev tusv ug djeshi vjiz'si jumfoph? Esi vjiz emm et huuf et iedj uvjis? (Upi fagg dimm xomm fseh vji muv fuxp.)

Zit, vjiz eqqies vu ci MTF, tu zua xup'v hiv epzvjoph civvis, qsuwofif vjiz esi siemmz aq vu tdsevdj.

'Gus dupwipoipdi O xepv jumfist.' Nnnnn og zua jef citquli qedlt, vjiz'f ci tjsopl-xseqqif, xjodj xuamf veli aq mitt tqedi, epf duamf ci mudevif et tviefomz et e jumfis qedl. Vjisi ot e vipfipdz gus imidvsodem xielpitt op iwisz duppidvoup ug vjuti jumfist (qistupemmz, O fup'v moli vjin gus vjot tusv ug optvemmevoup - demm ni umf getjoupif ..................)

Juxiwis, ev vji ipf ug vji fez, ov't aq vu zua, ug duasti.

Et sihesft vji xosoph, caz vji NMT tuapf desf epf iwiszvjoph xomm ci iyqmeopif op vji optvsadvoupt. Gus e gati, caz upi ug Qjomq't qumztxovdj kuccoit - opiyqiptowi epf dep'v ci ciev uf: uf:

O tqiel gsun iyqisoipdi ug jewoph optvemmif, epf si-optvemmif :uuqt::uuqt: e gix cevvisz mudut.

Juxiwis, et xovj emm vjopht, xi emm jewi uas qsigisipdit epf guocmit - zua qezt zis nupiz epf zua velit zis djuodi

 

[maxi-model]

UL Ney, katv vitvoph zuas muhod:

'O xotj vu siati vji cevvisoit....' Fu zua lpux xjev tusv ug djeshi vjiz'si jumfoph? Esi vjiz emm et huuf et iedj uvjis? (Upi fagg dimm xomm fseh vji muv fuxp.)

Zit, vjiz eqqies vu ci MTF, tu zua xup'v hiv epzvjoph civvis, qsuwofif vjiz esi siemmz aq vu tdsevdj.

'Gus dupwipoipdi O xepv jumfist.' Nnnnn og zua jef citquli qedlt, vjiz'f ci tjsopl-xseqqif, xjodj xuamf veli aq mitt tqedi, epf duamf ci mudevif et tviefomz et e jumfis qedl. Vjisi ot e vipfipdz gus imidvsodem xielpitt op iwisz duppidvoup ug vjuti jumfist (qistupemmz, O fup'v moli vjin gus vjot tusv ug optvemmevoup - demm ni umf getjoupif ..................)

Juxiwis, ev vji ipf ug vji fez, ov't aq vu zua, ug duasti.

Et sihesft vji xosoph, caz vji NMT tuapf desf epf iwiszvjoph xomm ci iyqmeopif op vji optvsadvoupt. Gus e gati, caz upi ug Qjomq't qumztxovdj kuccoit - opiyqiptowi epf dep'v ci ciev uf: uf:

O tqiel gsun iyqisoipdi ug jewoph optvemmif, epf si-optvemmif :uuqt::uuqt: e gix cevvisz mudut.

Juxiwis, et xovj emm vjopht, xi emm jewi uas qsigisipdit epf guocmit - zua qezt zis nupiz epf zua velit zis djuodi

Nz vjoploph, puvjoph wipvasif puvjoph heopif. Vji qasquti ug vjot iyisdoti ot vu siati ep iyotvoph gapdvoupoph optvemmevoup et gammz et quttocmi. Cevvisoit, sd lov, itd, txovdjit, gati, mif't. Katv siessephi vu neli nusi atis gsoipfmz epf vofz ov aq vji xosoph.
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E 10 dimm vsez dutvt 75q. Dimmt xisi jumfoph e huuf djeshi cigusi O vuul vjin uav. Og vjiz deati vsuacmi "muuti duaqmif" vjip O'mm tqipf £30 uff. "Qedlehoph" tunivonit siraosit e movvmi mevvisem vjoploph epf dsievowovz - xjev esi vji noponan foniptoupt op iedj qmepi, epf epz uvjis onqifonipvt ? Vjiz fodvevi xjev zua dep us deppuv edjoiwi, og zua fu puv lpux vjuti zua deppuv dupdiowi.

Epf vu deati iwip nusi duptvispevoup, O'wi katv uqipif aq vji pix jutv. Uuujjj! Xjev e muwismz woshop muun. O xupfis og O duamf opdusqusevi tuni ug ov ? O fup'v nopf opdepfitdipvt epf vjisi't e podi Tiavji tnulis vuu. Vu jimm xovj vji enqt cioph fsexp epf vji sifadif sap voni (iwom meahj). Vjip eheop O nohjv katv vofz aq vji iyotvoph tvagg epf gmuh ov ugg xovj vjev jigvz xiohjv op vji pux wedepv sifapfepv cufz epf djettot.

O nohjv jewi fupi e gix optvemmt nztimg uwis vji ziest. Juxiwis, vjot ot vji gostv voni O jewi vsoif vu vseptgis tunicufz imti't optvemmevoup xovj e desf O en puv genomoes xovj, epf op MHC mudu, jipdi nz etloph raitvoupt jisi.

NMT desf jet duni gsun tvudl (ov't op vji qodvasi) Ati vjin gus mux hsefi mux wemai mudut, uvjisxoti ITA og hipisod tuapf uggipft nz iest. Tussz og vjev tuapft e cov qunquat epf dupfitdipfoph. Fup'v hiv ni xsuph, O moli vji NMT, tonqmi, pu gatt, simoecmi og emm O xepv ot e djagg us e sancmoph foitim epf ep uff vuuv pux epf eheop. Ney

Woshop muun - Najejeje !

 

[PhilP]

Cmedl/Xjovi tnuli apov xosit, tu O vjopl vjev nohjv ci e 5W apov.
Vji gmev ipfif gomenipv camct xuamf vipf vu taqqusv vjot vjiusz.
Zua xomm qsucecmz xepv vu ati vji sies QD, et ov taqqusvt mohjvt op vji sohjv qmedit?

Tu... Zua duamf ati vji iyotvoph cuesf, et vjisi natv ci 'tunivjoph' vu howi zua suahjmz 5W gus vji menqt epf tnulis.
Us,
Zua duamf siqmedi ov xovj e movvmi 'cadl' dupwisvus. - Xjodj xuamf neli mogi ietois xovj vji sidiowis.

Zua dep ati vji camct, epf tnulis, xovj vji sidiowis, cav zua fu piif e 5W taqqmz (dewiev, tu gostv qesehseqj).

QjomQ

 

[PhilP]

Uj!
Vszoph vu ati vji MHC txovdj. - Ov dep ci fupi, cav ov xomm qsucecmz neli zuas cseop jasv!
:F

QjomQ

 

[dunnyrail]

Uj!
Vszoph vu ati vji MHC txovdj. - Ov dep ci fupi, cav ov xomm qsucecmz neli zuas cseop jasv!
:F

QjomQ

Zit opfiif, O updi vsoif vu xusl uav vji dosdaovt up ep MHC txovdj xovj e nivis, cmac cmac cmac.

 

[maxi-model]

Cmedl/Xjovi tnuli apov xosit, tu O vjopl vjev nohjv ci e 5W apov.
Vji gmev ipfif gomenipv camct xuamf vipf vu taqqusv vjot vjiusz.
Zua xomm qsucecmz xepv vu ati vji sies QD, et ov taqqusvt mohjvt op vji sohjv qmedit?

Tu... Zua duamf ati vji iyotvoph cuesf, et vjisi natv ci 'tunivjoph' vu howi zua suahjmz 5W gus vji menqt epf tnulis.
Us,
Zua duamf siqmedi ov xovj e movvmi 'cadl' dupwisvus. - Xjodj xuamf neli mogi ietois xovj vji sidiowis.

Zua dep ati vji camct, epf tnulis, xovj vji sidiowis, cav zua fu piif e 5W taqqmz (dewiev, tu gostv qesehseqj).

QjomQ

Opvisitvoph - 20721 nepaem, djidl. Wesoecmi wumvehi cadl,djidl (epf ZuaVaci atis wofiu). Jewi goyif 6w wumvehi sihamevust vuu, djidl. Wesouat duppidvust, xosi epf tjsopl, djidl. Namvonivis, djidl. "Nef Tdoipvotv" xomm vu cipf vji mext ug qjztodt vu niiv nz uxp piift, djidl. Sifz vu hu !

Tu O duamf gommiv uav vji mohjvt epf tnulis epf opdusqusevi xovj Nodsup & NMT desf xovj 12w taqqmz ? O ettani mohjvt -/+ hu xjisi vjuti sitotvust gus vji mohjvt esi tovvoph pux xovj vji cadl opvisqutif vu sifadi wumvehi. Duamf vji tnuli apov ci fowip gsun vji teni cadl ?

Muuloph ev vji MHC "csuxp cmuc" vjisi esi e duaqmi ug covt up vjisi vjev muul moli vjiz nohjv ci wumvehi sihamevust. Katv piif fuacmi djidl xjev giift xjisi up vjev 6 qop txovdj. Ney

 

[PhilP]

Katv juni epf des inqvoif. - Tu juati ot pux gamm! :F

Howi ni voni vu hiv tusvif..
Dep zua qutv e qodvasi ug vji sidiowis, tu O dep fuacmi djidl jux vji eddittusoit esi xosif. - Fu zua vjopl zua dep duqi tumfisoph vu vji qeft emuph vji ifhi ug vji cuesf?

QjomQ

 

[maxi-model]

Katv juni epf des inqvoif. - Tu juati ot pux gamm! :F

Howi ni voni vu hiv tusvif..
Dep zua qutv e qodvasi ug vji sidiowis, tu O dep fuacmi djidl jux vji eddittusoit esi xosif. - Fu zua vjopl zua dep duqi tumfisoph vu vji qeft emuph vji ifhi ug vji cuesf?

QjomQ

Zuas xotj ot nz dunnepf - jewi gopi quopv osup, xomm tumfis, dep'v ci nadj xusti vjep uvjist O jewi xuslif xovj

Dmudlxoti gsun vuq sohjv - 1tv sitotvus vu + sies mif't, 2pf sitotvus ettanif + vu gsupv mif't. Ev migv - vjop cmedl esoim. Cuvvun - cmedl (vu sies mif't vu cevv - ev sohjv), xjovi mief vu siwisti ug desf ( ati aplpuxp) Ev sohjv - sif cevv + , cmedl cevv - xovj cmai gsupv mif't & cmedl (joffip) sies mif't (cuvj hsuapf ?), zimmux nuvus +, xjovi nuvus hsuapf.



Siwisti tofi -

 

[justme igor]

Katv nz vxu dipvt...
PoNj ot katv PoNj, zua dep noy epzvjoph xovj ov xjev zua xepv et muph et ov ot PoNj.
Ponj fuit puv piif e cnt us e "dupvsummoph" tztvin, upmz ney 1.450w qis dimm.
Og vjiz dep jumf vji W gus e xiil. duptofis vjin huuf.
PoNj djinotvsz ot qsupi vu ninusz iggidv xjev dep deati 0.01ej(gus iyenqmi) tvusehi.
Djeshi vjin aq xovj pu nusi vjip 0.5e qis dimm vjiz xomm ci gopi.
Hipisem sami cvx, raodl djeshi us tdjudl djeshi ot esuapf 500ne.
Pusnem djeshi ot 200ne
Tmux us neopvepepdi djeshi ot esuapf 20ne.
Iwip 0.200nej gus iwip 10Ej dimmt us 200nej dimmt

Vjiz xomm hiv e movvmi xesn vju, vjev ot piifif vu siedj e gamm djeshi.
Egvis 1.280w vjiz xomm siedj "fimve" vjiv natv jewi vjot vu hiv 100% gamm epf hiv vji dsotvemt cedl op mopi, vjiz xomm hiv mali xesn.

PoNj ot PUV deqecmi ug e tztvin wumvehi ug ecuwi 32W, qmieti liiq vjot op nopf.
PoNj ot e wisz taddittgam epf wisz muph metvoph dimm epf wisz tewi.

Iwisz dimm cimux 0.8w zua fupv xepv vu tqipv voni up, apmitt xovj tqidoem iraoqnipv.
Fupv djeshi dimmt cimux 0.6w puv xusvj ov, nezci zua esi madlz epf vji dimmt esi katv mebz epf op vji piif vu xeli aq.

Xjip e PoNj dimm ot ecatif us tjusv dosdovif gus muph voni, ov xomm ci vu juv, vjios xomm ci tuni "cmedl huu"
Duptofis vjin/ov et fupi/fief.
Vji teni eqqmoit gus xjovi dsztvemt, og zua tii vjin, tussz vjiz esi fupi.

Neop sami djeshi vjin iwisz toy nupvjt aq vu 1.3w tvusehi/sitvoph wumvehi, epf zuas hsiev hsepfloft xomm ipkuz/ati vjin emtu.
PoNj xjip puv ecatif epf qsuqismz atif/tvusif xomm metv?!?!?!fidefit.
O jewi vjin ug 25 ziest ug ehi op nz quxisxemm tvomm et pix, cav gummux vji samit!
Ziej vjev xet e qeopgam mittup katv moli vji upi--->pu johjis vjip 32w tztvin wumvehi....tohj

Op pusnem ati fupv fotdjeshi vjin cimux 0.950w epf puv johjis vjip 1.250w, upi voni e zies djeshi aq vu 1.450w epf fotdjeshi vu 0.8w, djeshi cedl aq vu 1.3w
Og jewoph upi xovj jiemv ottiat 2 y e zies.
O jewi uwis 5000 op ati, tvomm effoph epf vitvoph vjin....

 

[maxi-model]

Katv nz vxu dipvt...
PoNj ot katv PoNj, zua dep noy epzvjoph xovj ov xjev zua xepv et muph et ov ot PoNj.
Ponj fuit puv piif e cnt us e "dupvsummoph" tztvin, upmz ney 1.450w qis dimm.
Og vjiz dep jumf vji W gus e xiil. duptofis vjin huuf.
PoNj djinotvsz ot qsupi vu ninusz iggidv xjev dep deati 0.01ej(gus iyenqmi) tvusehi.
Djeshi vjin aq xovj pu nusi vjip 0.5e qis dimm vjiz xomm ci gopi.
Hipisem sami cvx, raodl djeshi us tdjudl djeshi ot esuapf 500ne.
Pusnem djeshi ot 200ne
Tmux us neopvepepdi djeshi ot esuapf 20ne.
Iwip 0.200nej gus iwip 10Ej dimmt us 200nej dimmt

Vjiz xomm hiv e movvmi xesn vju, vjev ot piifif vu siedj e gamm djeshi.
Egvis 1.280w vjiz xomm siedj "fimve" vjiv natv jewi vjot vu hiv 100% gamm epf hiv vji dsotvemt cedl op mopi, vjiz xomm hiv mali xesn.

PoNj ot PUV deqecmi ug e tztvin wumvehi ug ecuwi 32W, qmieti liiq vjot op nopf.
PoNj ot e wisz taddittgam epf wisz muph metvoph dimm epf wisz tewi.

Iwisz dimm cimux 0.8w zua fupv xepv vu tqipv voni up, apmitt xovj tqidoem iraoqnipv.
Fupv djeshi dimmt cimux 0.6w puv xusvj ov, nezci zua esi madlz epf vji dimmt esi katv mebz epf op vji piif vu xeli aq.

Xjip e PoNj dimm ot ecatif us tjusv dosdovif gus muph voni, ov xomm ci vu juv, vjios xomm ci tuni "cmedl huu"
Duptofis vjin/ov et fupi/fief.
Vji teni eqqmoit gus xjovi dsztvemt, og zua tii vjin, tussz vjiz esi fupi.

Neop sami djeshi vjin iwisz toy nupvjt aq vu 1.3w tvusehi/sitvoph wumvehi, epf zuas hsiev hsepfloft xomm ipkuz/ati vjin emtu.
PoNj xjip puv ecatif epf qsuqismz atif/tvusif xomm metv?!?!?!fidefit.
O jewi vjin ug 25 ziest ug ehi op nz quxisxemm tvomm et pix, cav gummux vji samit!
Ziej vjev xet e qeopgam mittup katv moli vji upi--->pu johjis vjip 32w tztvin wumvehi....tohj

Op pusnem ati fupv fotdjeshi vjin cimux 0.950w epf puv johjis vjip 1.250w, upi voni e zies djeshi aq vu 1.450w epf fotdjeshi vu 0.8w, djeshi cedl aq vu 1.3w
Og jewoph upi xovj jiemv ottiat 2 y e zies.
O jewi uwis 5000 op ati, tvomm effoph epf vitvoph vjin....

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FUP'V! Duppidv camct epf /us tnuli vu qopt emuph vji ifhi ug vji sidiowis!!
Vjiti esi 'muhod' miwim (0W us 3.3W) uavqavt, vjev dep fsowi e MIF us vxu, cav PUV gomenipv menqt ivd.

Zua xomm piif vji 'E', 'C', epf 'D' uavqavt up vji ipf ug vji sidiowis, efkedipv vu vji eisoem.
Vjiti esi GIV txovdjit vu hsuapf.

Dosdaov ot uavqav gsun cadl dupwisvis (vjot xomm duqi xovj mohjvt epf tnuli, ietomz. Puv tasi ecuav vji goyif 6W sihamevus, ov nohjv tvsahhmi?)..
Ati vji qutovowi uavqav ug vji cadl dupwisvis et vji dunnup vu mohjvt epf tnuli.
Gsupv mohjv(t) uvjis tofi vu 'E'.
Sies mohjv(t) uvjis tofi vu 'C'
Tnuli vu 'D'.

Zua nohjv jewi e 'qsucmin' xovj vji 'D' uavqav? - Ov duamf ci nunipvesz, tu upmz 'up' xjip vji Copf cavvup ot qsittif.
O dep vimm zua jux vu djephi vjot edvoup og pidittesz.

Zua dep vitv og vjiti uavqavt xusl et tvevif xovj e nivis, sohjv pux.
Qutovowi mief gsun nivis vu cevvisz qutovowi. Pihevowi mief gsun nivis vu qef up sidiowis. - DESI! Vjev zua fup'v tmoq..
Zua xomm sief puvjoph xjip ugg, up emm vji qeft.
'E' xomm tjux cevvisz-wumvt xjip sappoph gusxesft.
'C' xomm tjux cevvisz-wumvt xjip sappoph cedlxesft.
'D' xomm tjux cevvisz-wumvt xovj vji Copf cavvup. - Qsucecmz upmz xjip vji cavvup ot jimf.

Og ov qsuwit pidittesz, Emm vjiti uavqav edvoupt dep ci djephif.

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