Misleading description

Is this misleading as well, not noticed anyone pointing this out http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/P25SB-18pcs-a...=UK_Trains_Railway_Models&hash=item483fb38cf5

Misleading maybe, but a look at the picture soon tells you otherwise. I quite agree with zerogee that LGB has come to be a generic term for G Scale, as it's a name that most people know, so people will use it. So, should we shoot eveyone who uses the word Hoover.
My car is a Suzuki Splash, the same as the Vauxhall Agila. The amount of people who refer to my car as a Vauxhall, does it upset me, not a bit. If you don't like the product, don't buy it. But do remember, not everyone has a bottomless pocket, these items are great for getting people into this superb hobby.
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In the case of the ebay item subject of this thread, I have no problem with people using LGB as a search keyword in the title, but I do agree that the seller must make it clear in the full description that these are Newqida/Amax/BTS or whatever they're going by these days. That clearly doesn't seem to be the case when I looked at the item. On that basis it is justified to file an ebay complaint as some have done, and you would hope that ebay would agree and act on it.

We GSC folk in general are knowledgable and recognise these items for what they are, so we can make an informed decision whether or not to purchase. There may be others who may mistake them for LGB brand.

I've never yet filed an ebay complaint, but I have on a couple of occasions contacted a seller to offer advice or confirmation where they've admitted to being unclear about something they're selling. In the hope that it will be helpful to both seller and potential buyers.
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The seller is wrong in doing this but it is unlikely that anyone reading complaints at Ebay will understand. It will be hard for Ebay to act about mis use of a brand name unless the brand name owner, or their UK agents, complain. Up until that point there is nothing official for ebay to react to.

If you bought the item, reasonably believing the item to be LGB (from the listing this is probabably reasonable), and then found it wasn't it would be possible to go to trading standards to complain. Of course trading standards is run by local authorities who are struggling with less funds and less staff than they used to have.....
 
I would guess that the Chinese person is using LGB because he has seen it used elsewhere. Quite possibly doesn't understand. The description doesn't claim they are LGB and it doesn't seem to me that there is any intentional deceit.

He sells his 1:30 items as G scale and doesn't mention LGB. The photo for the 1:30 people has a boxcar in the background which is a much smaller scale. I would say this was a guy just trying to make a living and not causing problems. Probably a good source of cheap (but repetitive figure)
 
The point is that in the title for the prople it states: 1:25 scale painted figuers LGB G: have a look http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/P25-12pcs-Mod...=UK_Trains_Railway_Models&hash=item2562535433 It states LGB, no mistake, but it appears that this is being defended. If it's wrong for the seller of the wagons to use LGB in the title, then everything sold that is not LGB shouldn't use those those words, no exceptions. I don't have a problem with that, but, I do think that this seller has been pointed out just because he's selling Newquida stock.

I'll repeat my previous statement, not everyone has a bottomless pocket, but these wagons are a great way to get people interested in our superb hobby.

Someones bound to ask, have I any Newquida stock, answer no, but if something comes along that suits me, then I'll definatly consider it
 
bigjack said:
The point is that in the title for the prople it states: 1:25 scale painted figuers LGB G: have a look http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/P25-12pcs-Mod...=UK_Trains_Railway_Models&hash=item2562535433 It states LGB, no mistake, but it appears that this is being defended. If it's wrong for the seller of the wagons to use LGB in the title, then everything sold that is not LGB shouldn't use those those words, no exceptions. I don't have a problem with that, but, I do think that this seller has been pointed out just because he's selling Newquida stock.

I'll repeat my previous statement, not everyone has a bottomless pocket, but these wagons are a great way to get people interested in our superb hobby.

Someones bound to ask, have I any Newquida stock, answer no, but if something comes along that suits me, then I'll definatly consider it
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Jack
That was NOT my intention. If the seller had said anywhere in his spiel that it was Amax I would not have commented.
I HAVE some Newqida, to mess about with because I cannot afford to do that with LGB etc.
 
The point that I'm trying to make is that no one seems to complain about the cheap Chinnese figures that use LGB in the title, but when it comes to this tyoe of stock everyone seems to get upset. If only someone could explain to me why this stock gets singled out but other articles don't
 
bigjack said:
The point that I'm trying to make is that no one seems to complain about the cheap Chinnese figures that use LGB in the title, but when it comes to this tyoe of stock everyone seems to get upset. If only someone could explain to me why this stock gets singled out but other articles don't
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I did not see the Chinese figures.So, if someone wishes to report it to ebay then the way is open.
PS I singled out the seller not the stock.
 
The chinnese figures are always on there, but I don't recall these being bought to everyones attention over misleading.

These opinions are my my own thoughts. But please keep bring these items to my attention, I might just find what I'm looking for
 
bigjack said:
The chinnese figures are always on there, but I don't recall these being bought to everyones attention over misleading.

These opinions are my my own thoughts. But please keep bring these items to my attention, I might just find what I'm looking for
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I think that the description has now changed from last year or two years ago when I and many other G Scalers bought them.
 
Yes the decription is missleading but guys so what? Dont buy it if you dont want it.... Ebay is like any other marketing exercise they will use any and all practises deceptive or otherwise to sell a product... I have had many complaints over the years usually because the person who I'm corresponding too does not comprehend english and the response from Ebay was simple and made me laugh, They now have a warning saying they they wont entertain discussion based on language incompatibility....
There are other things I dislike more, eg you cannot leave negative feedback for a powerseller, just try it... I tried to do just this with a company selling mains powered equipment that did not comply to the Australain code.... After a few months though and a complaint from Standards Australia Ebay stopped the practise....
The problem as I see it is that Ebay is now dominated by Asian resellers ( who at times sell counterfiet goods) and they have no ethics at all and Ebay is not concerned as these people make Ebay money. Its yet again a case of caveat emptor.... You want an absolute bargain you have to be prepared to take some risk. Like you cant get a Devonshire Tea in Devon can you????
 
If people are so anoyed at this practice has anyone complained to the ASA as they have new powers regarding online advertising.......would an aution item be classed as advertising?
 
We all think we know what we are buying don't we? I was caught out a couple of years ago. Bachmann products on ebay in G Scale section. Now, as I'm fairly new to that manufacturer's products (or was then), I just thought - "that'll be fine for me" and set my maximum bids.

I "won" all five items which were unboxed at what I thought was a brilliant price (greedy old me). When I came to pay for them I realised that they were HO! I told the dealer of my mistake - although there was no indication in the headers (or sub headers) of the scale but it WAS in the item description if you didn't blink - but he wouldn't budge.

I paid for them - postage was five times what it actually cost too - and learnt a lesson.

Why insert items in G Scale and "hide" (apparently) the actual scale?
 
Nodrog1826 said:
At the risk of offending those i respect.
I can see the point, but we are all by enlarge clued into the fact that these aren't the much fabled LGB, and therefor accept/reject them according to our taste/stance/finances etc.
So as for reporting them, i think its more of a gripe at the use of the LGB name than the quality of the product.
For those hovering over the report it button, read on.
I can see the point that someone new to the hobby, could be conned into thinking they were getting a bargin, and yes in that case the discription could be missleading,
but and here is the but,
How many searches on E bay just return one item, can you get four for the less than the price of one? Then the old addage, comes into play,
If its too good to be true, it probably isn't.........

Well put Noddy.
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Cheeky Monkey said:
The gist of this topic seems to be it Ok to con people as long as its not 'me' being conned...
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No I don't think so at all. Seems to me there is a difference of opinion as to whether or not these items in question (the NQD wagons and the figures) are using another brand name as a deliberate "con" or as a marketing tactic by association. Personally I tend to the latter opinion, though I do think the actual brand should be stated somewhere (might be difficult in the case of these generic figures).
 
This is very point I'm trying to make, most people seem to target anything that's newquida stock. I know there feelings and it's there choise as to wether they report these items or not. But don't discriminate, if an items states LGB in the title, and it's not then report them as well.

But as Nick states, I also think the term LGB is by association and not a deliberate maketing ploy by the company to mislead people., if it were it would say 4 X LGB wagons, but it doesn't. Have a look at the pictures, the box in the second pic is definatley not an LGB box.

BTW, I find the term mentally challanged offensive, I have 2 grandchildren who are autistic. I've heard people say this about these type of children, not nice. But that's getting off subject.
 
bigjack said:
The point that I'm trying to make is that no one seems to complain about the cheap Chinnese figures that use LGB in the title, but when it comes to this tyoe of stock everyone seems to get upset. If only someone could explain to me why this stock gets singled out but other articles don't
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No idea why it gets singled out Steve.

My reason for reporting on this occasion was that the listing for the wagons clearly described them as "4 X LGB" and nowhere in the product desription did it say otherwise. So on this occasion I did feel that this was deliberately misleading.

I think pretty much everyone on here knows by now that I have a rake of Newqida stock so my problem certainly isn't with the brand.
 
I just feel that the whole thing is very unfair to pick on this guy because of the way he's described his item. But I still haven't seen or heard of anyone reporting these http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/P25SB-18pcs-a...=UK_Trains_Railway_Models&hash=item483fc7448d it clearly says LGB and nowhere on the posting does it say different.

Now me, personally, I don't care, if I like something and it's the right price I'll buy it. But for anyone who feels that LGB should only refer to LGB goods, then report everyone who missuses the word, not just newquida items
 
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