Modifying a LGB Frank S into a tank (creating a Franco Belge KDL11 look alike!)

Re:France Belge KDL 11 0-8-0T?

James,

It would do if you butchered a Harz 2-10-2T chassis for it and combined the bits from the Rugen 0-6-0TT. :@8D:@

The tenders of these locos were standard German Army Railways issue. The 699 class loco's (KDL11's) had 2 styles of tender- short and long wheelbase. I have a book on the KDL11's (KDL11 Kreigsdampflokomotive 11 by Herbert Fritz published Club 760 1986). They were build in a variety of gauges from 600mm to standard gauge. Quite a versatile lok all in all.

The Aquarius 0-10-0TT's were one of the biggest loks they produced for 750/760mm gauge. I don't know how many they built of the 0-10-0TT's in all. But to the best of my knowledge it is the only one preserved (on the Rugen line). Just a thought is that one is also in a Technik Museum somewhere in Germany too. Just looking another book it looks like Borsig built one in 1940 then Henschel built a further 5 in 1944 (builders nr. 26 462-466). Two of them went to the Jaggstalbahn and after the war they went to a stabling area for sale. They were fitted with "short 4 wheeled" tenders. STEG (Staatliche Erfassungs-Gessellschaft GmbH and two others went back to the Jaggstalbahn where one was written off by 1960. The other one, nr 152 went to DGEG. Another went to the Gartentalbahn and was written off by 1959.

They also produced 5 absolutely stunning 2-10-2 tender loco. They ended up in West Germany after war and were converted into VERY UGLY 2-10-2T locos on the Kerkerbachbahn I think. Two of them went to Jugoslavia where they worked until at least 1966. They were class 40-751 to 752 (HFB 40751/ 752 Henschel 26168/69 1941). There is a good photo essay in the book Heeresfeldbahn Lokomotive Henschel 25 983 (by Walter Ess).
 
Re:France Belge KDL 11 0-8-0T?

What do you think? Does it capture the character of the prototypes? Despite being an 0-6-0t?

Full story on my blog: http://ejklr.blogspot.com

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So now it's just a case of waiting for a Frank S to come up for sale somewhere at a reasonable price!

Thanks to Bruce Nowell of the Hillhead and Dales Light Railway ( http://www.hdlr.moonfruit.com/ < Link To http://www.hdlr.moonfruit.com ) for permission to use the original photograph which is off his excellent 798.xx class 0-6-0 tender tank used on the OBB after the war.
 
Re:France Belge KDL 11 0-8-0T?

jameshilton said:
So now it's just a case of waiting for a Frank S to come up for sale somewhere at a reasonable price!

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James - I have a Frank S for sale if interested......... The green version.

I'll take some pics if your interested - PM to discuss a price :bigsmile:

ATB

Ian Sharples
 
Re:Creating a Franco Belge KDL11 0-8-0T (or look alike!)

the tank lok is a classic staple of feldbahn and shows the absolute pinnacle of OBBe steam design! the Frank S is a gorgeous proto, and Lehmann wisely put it on the design lab floor early in the 1990s. But this OBB lok, with its INSIDE FRAME and spoked drivers, has obvious appeal for us who love to watch the steam eccentrics and "gizzardry" at low speeds puffing up a incline on our pikes....this type of lok is the Austrian version of a Yankee "Forney" , at least, the design is bizarre for us across the Pond (all the more attractive, too..)

the lok you mention is rather a popular item among narrow gaugers in Europe...the old Lehmann Track Planning Guide shows a couple black and white photos of it (probably from a Club 760 run). Note the early designation is not a Franco Belge--looks like that shortline in France picked it up years later.? Its a true Austrian narrow gauge staple...from the glory days of steam (albeit contributing to a distasterous war effort).
 
Re:France Belge KDL 11 0-8-0T?

Trainman said:
James,

It would do if you butchered a Harz 2-10-2T chassis for it and combined the bits from the Rugen 0-6-0TT. :@8D:@

The tenders of these locos were standard German Army Railways issue. The 699 class loco's (KDL11's) had 2 styles of tender- short and long wheelbase. I have a book on the KDL11's (KDL11 Kreigsdampflokomotive 11 by Herbert Fritz published Club 760 1986). They were build in a variety of gauges from 600mm to standard gauge. Quite a versatile lok all in all.

The Aquarius 0-10-0TT's were one of the biggest loks they produced for 750/760mm gauge. I don't know how many they built of the 0-10-0TT's in all. But to the best of my knowledge it is the only one preserved (on the Rugen line). Just a thought is that one is also in a Technik Museum somewhere in Germany too. Just looking another book it looks like Borsig built one in 1940 then Henschel built a further 5 in 1944 (builders nr. 26 462-466). Two of them went to the Jaggstalbahn and after the war they went to a stabling area for sale. They were fitted with "short 4 wheeled" tenders. STEG (Staatliche Erfassungs-Gessellschaft GmbH and two others went back to the Jaggstalbahn where one was written off by 1960. The other one, nr 152 went to DGEG. Another went to the Gartentalbahn and was written off by 1959.

They also produced 5 absolutely stunning 2-10-2 tender loco. They ended up in West Germany after war and were converted into VERY UGLY 2-10-2T locos on the Kerkerbachbahn I think. Two of them went to Jugoslavia where they worked until at least 1966. They were class 40-751 to 752 (HFB 40751/ 752 Henschel 26168/69 1941). There is a good photo essay in the book Heeresfeldbahn Lokomotive Henschel 25 983 (by Walter Ess).
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dude,, are any of those books in English language??
wow what a great set of books you have! let me know!
 
Re:Creating a Franco Belge KDL11 0-8-0T (or look alike!)

hey guys,

you can't really butcher a frank s for the OBB lok, as the Frank S is outside frame, the OBB has spoked drivers on the outside. A suitable boiler assembly (and i think of doing this the inexpensive and perhaps not very prototypical route....) could be found with a PIKO 0-6-0 and then you also have the drive train for the lok.
 
Re:Creating a Franco Belge KDL11 0-8-0T (or look alike!)

Hi Tom - thanks for the interest - I'm using the Frank S as a basis for two reasons...
1) The body already captures the style I want to portray
2) The 0-6-0 will be a better size fit for my railway

Although not a Franco Belge 0-8-0t anymore I am taking inspiration from the Francesca S tank that Alyn posted about on Page 1 (post 13).



This will give me something close to what I want, that's different from anything anyone else has got, with minimum outlay whilst maintaining the good build quality and running quality of an LGB model.
 
Re:Creating a Franco Belge KDL11 0-8-0T (or look alike!)

James, I will look for some more pictures of that loco. Alyn
 
Re:Creating a Franco Belge KDL11 0-8-0T (or look alike!)

Well guys I've been mulling this 'bash over for a few days - culminating in me producing some more 'proof of concept' mockups...
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I've written up where my mind is with the project in more detail on my blog:
http://ejklr.blogspot.com/2011/03/musing-over-frank-s-conversion.html < Link To http://ejklr.blogspot.com...rank-s-conversion.html

However in brief - what if some of the 0-6-0TT 798.xx OBB tanks were converted to tank engines like the KDL11s, surely they'd be 798.1xx class? We know in Germany some of the tender tanks were modified (Francesca S - thanks Alyn) so it's a 'credible' what if...

I'm really warming to the idea. Just need to decide 'when' now, not 'if'...
 
Re:Creating a Franco Belge KDL11 0-8-0T (or look alike!)

It's a handsome engine James, which would grace any railway. Its also worth considoring that most loco builders would build a loco to what ever set of plans were put in front of them.
For instance the Yorkshire Engine Company in my neck of the woods , built giant Fairlies for railways in South America & tiny Forneys for railways in India. I'm sure continental builders would have done the same thing.
 
Re:France Belge KDL 11 0-8-0T?

Tom,

Sorry they are all in gibberish. Sorry for the delay in replying. I have a fancy for military railways and over the years have picked up some nice books on the topic. The Germans really took this to the outer limits with their designs. Whilst being an Austrian modeller for donkeys years I have followed the military flavour and Lynton & Barnstaple too. If I can be of any help with any plans etc let me know and I will scan and post them.

Henrik
 
Re:Creating a Franco Belge KDL11 0-8-0T (or look alike!)

James,

They were produced in a tank form as well as tender lok. The OBB had some for a while. One even had a "funny" stack on it. I will try to find a pic of it. It was a normal stack with an Austrian baloon stack on top. Easily made with a redundant inoperative Stainz stack.

Henrik
 
Re:Creating a Franco Belge KDL11 0-8-0T (or look alike!)

Henrik, thanks for the offer, any extra information you can help with is greatly appreciated. If you don't want to share directly on the forum I'll send you my email address.

Gary, thanks, I like it!
 
Re:Creating a Franco Belge KDL11 0-8-0T (or look alike!)

James,

Here we go then!!
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