Modifying a LGB Frank S into a tank (creating a Franco Belge KDL11 look alike!)

jameshilton

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UPDATE: End of this thread you'll find the finished project!
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Question - does anyone know of any G scale model of this locomotive, or if it could be 'bashed' from one of LGBs DR tanks?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heeresfeldbahnlokomotive_HF_160_D#HF_160_D_in_Austria < Link To http://en.wikipedia.org/w..._D#HF_160_D_in_Austria
 
Re:France Belge KDL 11 0-8-0T?

The red one on that page could be made from a modified Frank S, although I'd never even show mine a modelling knife. I haven't seen a 0-8-0T, maybe a U class could be butchered for it? Definately a project for someone though!
 
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I did wonder about getting a damaged Frank S and getting rid of the tender and fitting a rear bunker - it wouldn't be identical but close (ish). A U-tank would need a lot of work as the boiler is attached to the tanks. The DR 0-8-0 WT I had in mind (the Rugen) I think's boiler is too big so would need a complete new body.
 
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Someone had posted here/GSM that they were bashing something "close" to this. They used the Aristocraft C16 drive, LGB Henschel cab and some other bits....
EDIT, second, thought, it may not have been who I thought, so names removed...
 
Re:France Belge KDL 11 0-8-0T?

Another option may be to get GRS to do you an 0-8-0 chassis. There 0-6-0 is a pretty small wheelbase so if you made the correct spec I am sure that they could sort you out. The 0-6-0 chassis is around £200 depending on the need for outside cylinders or not.
I did have an 0-8-0 chassis some time ago that I sold for not a lot on ebay. Reason I sold it was that it was not very good runner. I personally would build one myself, and make it Compensated. This takes care of loads of ills and would make it a grunt of a beast, with pick up on all wheels you would have a great runner.
Good luck with your search.
JonD
 
Re:France Belge KDL 11 0-8-0T?

Spule 4 said:
Someone had posted here/GSM that they were bashing something "close" to this. They used the Aristocraft C16 drive, LGB Henschel cab and some other bits....
EDIT, second, thought, it may not have been who I thought, so names removed...

I think the loco you're thinking of on the c-16 block was an Engarth 0-8+4-0T, but I can't remember who, or which thread.

For an eight coupled you're kind of limited in options -
- I suspect simplest option is to obtain a complete LGB Rugen 0-8-0T chassis from somewhere and then butcher a U-class body to go on top, preferably without changing the chassis in any way.
- Alternatively you could start with a U and use spare drivers and new rods to stretch it into an 0-8-0, but I suspect it might look a bit thin, rather like a U that's been stretched into an 0-8-0 - maybe you could transplant the fittings, cab and tanks onto a new larger boiler to make it chunkier. Also might be unhappy on R1 with the extra axle.
- The aristo C-16 block will just do R1, but there's never been a version with outside valve gear, so you'd have to sort that out yourself, even if you were starting with a complete loco.
- Only other common inside framed 8-coupled I can think of is the aristo mikado, which does have outside gear, but needs 4ft radius and has nearly 2inch dia wheels, so I'm guessing it's too big.

Do you have a drawing or specs of the prototype giveing wheel diameter etc.?

Jonathan
RDE
 
Re:France Belge KDL 11 0-8-0T?

Thanks guys - there are some great inputs here...
My planned railway, the EJ&KLR is a preserved line in based in the UK, inspired by the W&L - hence the KDL11, which runs there - former 699.01

I've not got a drawing, does anyone know of one in existence in a book or online?
 
Re:France Belge KDL 11 0-8-0T?

Resin D Etre Ltd said:
Spule 4 said:
Someone had posted here/GSM that they were bashing something "close" to this. They used the Aristocraft C16 drive, LGB Henschel cab and some other bits....
EDIT, second, thought, it may not have been who I thought, so names removed...

I think the loco you're thinking of on the c-16 block was an Engarth 0-8+4-0T, but I can't remember who, or which thread.

For an eight coupled you're kind of limited in options -
- I suspect simplest option is to obtain a complete LGB Rugen 0-8-0T chassis from somewhere and then butcher a U-class body to go on top, preferably without changing the chassis in any way.
- Alternatively you could start with a U and use spare drivers and new rods to stretch it into an 0-8-0, but I suspect it might look a bit thin, rather like a U that's been stretched into an 0-8-0 - maybe you could transplant the fittings, cab and tanks onto a new larger boiler to make it chunkier. Also might be unhappy on R1 with the extra axle.
- The aristo C-16 block will just do R1, but there's never been a version with outside valve gear, so you'd have to sort that out yourself, even if you were starting with a complete loco.
- Only other common inside framed 8-coupled I can think of is the aristo mikado, which does have outside gear, but needs 4ft radius and has nearly 2inch dia wheels, so I'm guessing it's too big.

Do you have a drawing or specs of the prototype giveing wheel diameter etc.?

Jonathan
RDE

Yes, some are doing those, here is a nice one:
http://www.schmalspur-modell.at/viewtopic.php?t=654
But the one I am thinking of (I thought it was Tim Brien but I cannot find it online) was doing one using a Grey U43 shell, Henschel cab and tender, and C16 chassis.
 
Re:France Belge KDL 11 0-8-0T?

Hi James, you could use a Rugen 0-8-0 chassis or modify a 0-6-0 chassis. The Welshpool and Llanfair Rly have a Franco Belge 0-8-0, see below perhaps a trip there and some photos. A good case for scratch building. Alyn
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Re:France Belge KDL 11 0-8-0T?

The other way is plan "B" make a model of "Aquarius C" :thumbup: Alyn
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The LGB chassis were available in Germany when the old LGB went pop I used one for this creation. see below.
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Re:France Belge KDL 11 0-8-0T?

Alyn is that one of the 0-10-0s? Mental! Don't think that'd go round R1s!
I need to source a reasonable drawing now, it's going to be a 'scratchbuild' job. And seriously consider materials of construction if I want it to be a rugged outdoor model. One for the back burner I think :)
 
Re:France Belge KDL 11 0-8-0T?

There was a tank version of the HF 110, was converted after the war. I will look for a picture. Alyn
 
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It is the "Francesca S" 0-6-0 tank I would say a straightforward conversion from a LGB Frank S :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup: Alyn
 
Re:France Belge KDL 11 0-8-0T?

That's interesting - thanks for sharing Alyn! Where is the Francesca S preserved? It does look a very easy conversion - I suspect finding a suitable donor locomotive would be more hard work than the bodywork modifications!
 
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jameshilton said:
I've found some drawings - might be useful for anyone else pursuing a similar project :)
http://www.buntbahn.de/modellbau/printview.php?t=4277&start=0 < Link To http://www.buntbahn.de/mo...php?t=4277&start=0

Smaller loco than I'd thought - you're going to have to make a choice between building it to 'scale' in 1:22.5 or whatever, or doing a 'style-of' job. Thinking about it, I've got a gut feeling that the LGB U-class is one off their rubber ruler exercises, given that it's only 760mm gauge in reality, but doesn't look daft next to their (generally slightly undersize) meter gauge stock.

In 1:22.5, the 2920mm overall height only comes out as 130mm, so even start set coaches would tower over the loco. In the same scale, you need (approx) 29mm wheels, spread somewhat unevenly over a 120mm wheelbase - I can't think of any g-scale steam outline 6 or 8 coupled that uses wheels that small. An off-the-wall idea might be to take something like the O gauge Rivarossi IHB 0-8-0 and stretch it widthways if that's technically feasible.

If you beef the loco up a bit to 1:20.3 / 15mm/ft, the C16 is about the right wheelbase, but too evenly spaced, mostly because the wheels are 20% too big - even then the loco only comes out 144mm tall, so still might look on the weedy side next to LGB coaches.

J.
 
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Yeah - I suspect it'll be a 'impression' of one - The LGB coaches seem to run too high compared with their length when I look at them, which doesn't help.

If I was working in HOe or 009 I'd scratchbuild and try and get as close to the prototype as I felt comfortable, but in G45, with the intention of running outdoors and rough(ish) handling I'm wondering about more of a bash of something already in the LGB range, the Rugen (with side tanks perhaps) or a the Frank S with extended side tanks and a ditched tender.

Since my railway is ficticious I figure Rule 8 applies quite strongly. This thread has been dead useful though, collecting some great prototype photos and now some rough dimensions. If I get further I'll keep this updated :)
 
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