Out of the common market

playmofire said:
Unfortunately, there are some people who enjoy arguing as a hobby, although not on this forum in my experience.
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I agree I have had my fill of "mass debaters" who can't help themselves and want to debate everything.
 
PhilP said:
This year, has seen an exponential rise in 'online' and remote purchasing..
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Being the pedant, it's been a steep growth, a rapid growth, but not necessarily an exponential growth.

Exponential changes have to be related to a time period, so if online and remote purchases in 2020 are double those in 2019, that's an exponential growth. It's a word that's cropped up a lot in 2020 because of Flu and it's a word government ministers like to use because it sounds threatening and sounds as if they know what they are talking about.

That delightful mathematician, Dr. Hannah Fry, got quite angry about the misuse of the word on TV recently.
 
playmofire said:
Being the pedant, it's been a steep growth, a rapid growth, but not necessarily an exponential growth.

Exponential changes have to be related to a time period, so if online and remote purchases in 2020 are double those in 2019, that's an exponential growth. It's a word that's cropped up a lot in 2020 because of Flu and it's a word government ministers like to use because it sounds threatening and sounds as if they know what they are talking about.

That delightful mathematician, Dr. Hannah Fry, got quite angry about the misuse of the word on TV recently.
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It's always good to have an exponent of the English language :p:p
 
playmofire said:
Being the pedant, it's been a steep growth, a rapid growth, but not necessarily an exponential growth.

Exponential changes have to be related to a time period, so if online and remote purchases in 2020 are double those in 2019, that's an exponential growth. It's a word that's cropped up a lot in 2020 because of Flu and it's a word government ministers like to use because it sounds threatening and sounds as if they know what they are talking about.
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or even understand what they are talking about or even the language, though it has to be said that BoJo does come up with some impressive never been heard before (by me) words though I do wonder if he knows what they mean as well. Perhaps he does what many Railway Managers used to do in my days on the Railway, scan through a dictionary for an interesting sounding word then pop it into any conversation at will without even having read what it meant.
 
A lot of words we use are learnt rather than taught, we pick them up through every day life, so it's very easy to use the wrong word, which isnt helped by the fact that the right word is spelt very similar to the wrong word
 
dunnyrail said:
or even understand what they are talking about or even the language, though it has to be said that BoJo does come up with some impressive never been heard before (by me) words though I do wonder if he knows what they mean as well. Perhaps he does what many Railway Managers used to do in my days on the Railway, scan through a dictionary for an interesting sounding word then pop it into any conversation at will without even having read what it meant.
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Bojo had what's known as a "Classical education", i.e. you learn Latin (and maybe Ancient Greek), study the history of Athens and Rome in Classical times, that is 8th century BC to 600 AD and with it some philosophy (again mainly Classical) plus English,, maths, a bit of geography and maybe more modern history and a modern foreign language and a bit of science, but the stress is on the Classical. (This may ber a bit of a caricature, but it's not far off.) Boris's use of words and Latin are to put his questioners off balance to his advantage. When Mayor of London, if he was losing an argument in a meeting, he would just talk over the other side, often in Latin, until they gave up.

Oh, and let's not forget, being economical with the truth!
 
playmofire said:
Bojo had what's known as a "Classical education", i.e. you learn Latin (and maybe Ancient Greek), study the history of Athens and Rome in Classical times, that is 8th century BC to 600 AD and with it some philosophy (again mainly Classical) plus English,, maths, a bit of geography and maybe more modern history and a modern foreign language and a bit of science, but the stress is on the Classical. (This may ber a bit of a caricature, but it's not far off.) Boris's use of words and Latin are to put his questioners off balance to his advantage. When Mayor of London, if he was losing an argument in a meeting, he would just talk over the other side, often in Latin, until they gave up.

Oh, and let's not forget, being economical with the truth!
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But lets not forget what this thread is about - getting us out of the EEC :)
 
There will be a bit more red tape hurdling and a bit more cost involved on importing and exporting... so those little (or big) red boxes may cost a little more when importing but it will depend on whether posted train stuff will have to go through Parcelfarce system where they will lob on their handling fee (£8-£13), or that couriers who deliver directly from EU into apply a 'handling' charge
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The real increase in hassle will be when we want to travel (whether train related or not) into and across borders in EU, especially if driving.

Your passport has to have more than 6 months left before you even consider entering the EU.

Where it was just a case of slipping through the customs office e-gates at the border, it will now mean that Brits will be a separate entity and will have to queue with all other non-EU citizen in separate lanes.
And of course you will have more of a chance to have your luggage checked (those hidden pieces of LGB may be exposed).
Studies show that Brits will have to wait in lines at airports for approximately one extra hour.
When entering the US everyone who is not a US citizen is considered an 'alien'... we are now The EU's new aliens.

We will not need visa-waivers if staying less than 90 days but we will have to now pay for one to travel to the Schengen area countries for over 90 days in one year (Austria, Denmark, France, Germany, Norway, Poland, and Sweden).
A hassle will come for those of us who cross borders within the EU. Where it was a case that we had no checks at all if we drove, for example, from France to Holland to Germany. Now a Brit will have to go through customs at the border where you leave the EU. This applies to all countries who observe the Shengen agreement:
(Austria, Belgium, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Slovak Republic, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, and Switzerland).
There are three islands that are also part of the Schengen Zone, even though their borders are outside of the continent: The Azores, Madeira, and the Canary Islands.

If driving you will need an International Driving Permit (IDP)
You will need a green card from your insurance for each trip
A GB sticker has to e displayed.

Although some of the EU countries may 'partially' accept the EHIC health card for a period of time, it is now a case that we need to get full medical insurance when travelling to cover all eventualities. This will mean that insurance costs will bound to rise to factor-in the disappearance of the EHIC cover.

So this may not mean too much to those of us who do not travel in the EU very much, if at all, but as a person who does, and has enjoyed being part of a frictionless system, I find that, now, being considered an 'alien', in the world as it is, is a mighty step backwards....
 
Yes, we're out of the EU (the EEC ended a long time ago) but it's not over yet.

The Brexit deal involves the setting up of some 30 or more committees each of which will meet at least once a year, and often many more times, dealing with issues which were "kicked down the road" in the deal, so there's room here for red lines, deadlines, ticking clocks etc. for some time to come.

Then there's Northern Ireland which now is treated differently from the rest of the UK and the border in the middle of the Irish Sea, both things the pro-Brexit ERG said they wouldn't accept, but did, and both things to be reviewed every four years.

The arrangement for fishing access is for five years and ends in June 2026 at exactly (to the day) when the UK-EU agreement for France, Belgium and The Netherlands to supply gas and electricity to the UK ends. The power supply agreement provides about 7% of the UK's energy needs, mainly at peak periods and for demand in the south-east. (Because of the difference in clock time between the UK and EU and working practices - the EU working day tends to start and finish earlier than in the UK - energy demands peak at different times, which means, for example, that when there is maximum demand in the south east for electric power for breakfast and commuting in the morning, there is a surplus of power in the three EU countries concerned which can fuel this. Quite a bargaining chip.

And lastly, there's Gibraltar which voted 90% plus to stay in the EU and depends heavily on Spain for labour. Gibraltar and the EU have agreed in principle that Gib will join the Schengen free travel zone area, which means Frontex officials will check passports of people arriving and leaving Gib by air or sea and there will be freedom of travel for members of the Schengen Area and Gib and vice versa.
 
I see some ebay listings from European (particularly German) sellers are now displaying a '+ 20% VAT will apply' tag. :cry: :cry::cry::cry::cry::cry:
 
ebay mike said:
I see some ebay listings from European (particularly German) sellers are now displaying a '+ 20% VAT will apply' tag. :cry: :cry::cry::cry::cry::cry:
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I read someplace that EU businesses (and specifically online marketplaces such as Ebay & Amazon) may collect the UK VAT at time of purchase. This would alleviate the need to pay it at the border and increase the shipping time waiting for it to be paid.
 
beavercreek said:
So this may not mean too much to those of us who do not travel in the EU very much, if at all, but as a person who does, and has enjoyed being part of a frictionless system, I find that, now, being considered an 'alien', in the world as it is, is a mighty step backwards....
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I have not driven on the Continent much and probably won't ever do so, but I was quite upset to see the borders between each country we passed through was denoted by nothing more than a little sign. Our county signs are bigger, and driving across the borders of Wales & Scotland were far more of a show than across France & Belgium
 
Northsider said:
The benefit BoJo the clown gains from his classical education is a knowledge of rhetoric ('the art of effective or persuasive speaking or writing, especially the exploitation of figures of speech and other compositional techniques.'); his hero Churchill used it to good effect: 6 famous rhetorical devices used by Winston Churchill - Country Life
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Well, it would be a benefit if he knew how to use it. You call him Bojo the clown, which he basically is (or to be non-political, Bojo the one lacking in self-control), which means he tends to over use it or cannot help adding a little quip to raise a smile. He has the mutually opposing characteristics of wanting to be a strong leader but also popular as an individual, and the latter always wins.
 
muns said:
I read someplace that EU businesses (and specifically online marketplaces such as Ebay & Amazon) may collect the UK VAT at time of purchase. This would alleviate the need to pay it at the border and increase the shipping time waiting for it to be paid.
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This has been done by some USA companies for a long time, and so does not need any handling fee this end regardless of the carrier.
 
The Shed said:
They have for the present, and from reading the info from DHL looks like for a little while yet.............................. presently awaiting two such deliveries, one from Holland (finally!, been awaiting completion from a German supplier since September), and the other from Germany (which has been in limbo at a DHL depot since the 16th December), patience is a virtue!
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